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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1376 on: April 08, 2020, 12:39:29 PM »
This gets it right for me on the idea of clapping for Johnson

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1247777868261634048.html
I dare say Johnson has been given the clap a number of times, but that was ridiculous.
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« Reply #1377 on: April 08, 2020, 12:42:42 PM »
Indeed. If any sense is to some of this, then a fairer system has to arise. One where workers rights are more protected and where third world debt is forgiven. The economic impact will go much deeper than that too.

The system that pulled millions out of poverty and greatly increased living standards throughout the world?
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« Reply #1378 on: April 08, 2020, 12:45:19 PM »
The system that pulled millions out of poverty and greatly increased living standards throughout the world?

For some, but not for all. That same system has also kept millions, if not billions, of people around the world in poverty.
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« Reply #1379 on: April 08, 2020, 01:40:19 PM »
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/former-bishop-of-rochester-michael-nazir-ali-suggests-relaxing-the-rules-for-churches-over-easter?fbclid=IwAR2k71KgqfRb8VOmjZlP7b7yhpd7lRNATVbOshqvjehWCGGtVpzHgNYwVNU

What an idiot - what planet is he on if he thinks that churches should be re-opened for Easter.

Nazir Ali told Premier Christian News: "It's quite nuanced - I'm not saying that safe distancing should not be observed, but why discriminate against churches?

In what way are churches being discriminated against - last time I looked all non essential gatherings are banned - churches are in exactly the same position as sports events, theatres, cinemas, team sports, choirs, non-virtual exercise classes etc etc.

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« Reply #1380 on: April 08, 2020, 01:57:39 PM »
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/former-bishop-of-rochester-michael-nazir-ali-suggests-relaxing-the-rules-for-churches-over-easter?fbclid=IwAR2k71KgqfRb8VOmjZlP7b7yhpd7lRNATVbOshqvjehWCGGtVpzHgNYwVNU

What an idiot - what planet is he on if he thinks that churches should be re-opened for Easter.

Nazir Ali told Premier Christian News: "It's quite nuanced - I'm not saying that safe distancing should not be observed, but why discriminate against churches?

In what way are churches being discriminated against - last time I looked all non essential gatherings are banned - churches are in exactly the same position as sports events, theatres, cinemas, team sports, choirs, non-virtual exercise classes etc etc.

Proff D, leave the christians alone you know how they jump at the chance of becoming victims or being oppressed, all you're doing is trying to stop them enjoying themselves.

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« Reply #1381 on: April 08, 2020, 02:03:13 PM »
And another good article


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/there-is-nothing-tough-about-beating-coronavirus/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Hmm,

I think Johnson's "toughness" or desire to appear tough might, in part, be responsible for putting him in his current position in an ICU. He got sick and instead taking time off to give his body a chance to fight the disease, he carried on working.

Another thing that's winding me up: he was described as being in "good spirits" four times by three people in the space of five minutes on the BBC lunchtime news. Sorry, but I don't believe it. He's a human being in an ICU with a life threatening disease. |I would not be in good spirits in that situation. I don't  expect Johnson to be, nor would I think any  the worse of him if it was reported that he was quite unhappy.
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« Reply #1382 on: April 08, 2020, 02:05:45 PM »
Proff D, leave the christians alone you know how they jump at the chance of becoming victims or being oppressed, all you're doing is trying to stop them enjoying themselves.

ippy.
I know - discrimination in christian terms all too often means not being able to have privileges that other similar organisations don't enjoy.

And actually from what I can see churches are very well set up to provide 'virtual' activities for their members - probably rather more so than many other organisation that are currently closed save for virtual activities. It's pretty easy to set up a virtual church service over Zoom - much harder to have a virtual football match, or even a virtual choir where time delay makes virtual activity in real time pretty well impossible.

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« Reply #1383 on: April 08, 2020, 02:13:09 PM »
Hmm,

I think Johnson's "toughness" or desire to appear tough might, in part, be responsible for putting him in his current position in an ICU. He got sick and instead taking time off to give his body a chance to fight the disease, he carried on working.
True, although not unexpected - I think it is difficult for the leaders of any organisation in the current climate to accept that they need to step back rather than being front and centre.

More significantly, to my mind, was his failure to follow the advice, including advice of his own government. Until recently he was telling us all to work from home, to self distance in a packed room full of journalists in daily press conferences. And holding non-remote cabinet and other meetings, and still sitting in the commons.

Another thing that's winding me up: he was described as being in "good spirits" four times by three people in the space of five minutes on the BBC lunchtime news. Sorry, but I don't believe it. He's a human being in an ICU with a life threatening disease. |I would not be in good spirits in that situation. I don't  expect Johnson to be, nor would I think any  the worse of him if it was reported that he was quite unhappy.
I agree entirely and I also don't believe it. Late last week were told that he was was just having a bit of difficulty shaking off some mild symptoms but otherwise fine - then he was carted off to hospital.

We were told that being in hospital was just precautionary and for tests - and then he's carted of to intensive care.

Now we are being told he'd in good spirits, not on a ventilator etc - somehow I don't believe them - I suspect things are rather worse than we are being told and don't forget that the death rate for people his age entering intensive care with coronavirus is 46%.

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« Reply #1384 on: April 08, 2020, 02:14:12 PM »
In good spirits means stoned from morphine, fighting means seriously ill, etc.
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« Reply #1385 on: April 08, 2020, 02:17:47 PM »
In good spirits means stoned from morphine, fighting means seriously ill, etc.
And stable in intensive care means you are in a very bad way, just nor deteriorating (nor improving).

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« Reply #1386 on: April 08, 2020, 02:22:08 PM »
Hmm,

I think Johnson's "toughness" or desire to appear tough might, in part, be responsible for putting him in his current position in an ICU. He got sick and instead taking time off to give his body a chance to fight the disease, he carried on working.

Another thing that's winding me up: he was described as being in "good spirits" four times by three people in the space of five minutes on the BBC lunchtime news. Sorry, but I don't believe it. He's a human being in an ICU with a life threatening disease. |I would not be in good spirits in that situation. I don't  expect Johnson to be, nor would I think any  the worse of him if it was reported that he was quite unhappy.
I agree, and I don't think the article disagrees at all so not sure what is meant here by 'Hmm'

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1387 on: April 08, 2020, 02:25:09 PM »
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/former-bishop-of-rochester-michael-nazir-ali-suggests-relaxing-the-rules-for-churches-over-easter?fbclid=IwAR2k71KgqfRb8VOmjZlP7b7yhpd7lRNATVbOshqvjehWCGGtVpzHgNYwVNU

What an idiot - what planet is he on if he thinks that churches should be re-opened for Easter.

Nazir Ali told Premier Christian News: "It's quite nuanced - I'm not saying that safe distancing should not be observed, but why discriminate against churches?

In what way are churches being discriminated against - last time I looked all non essential gatherings are banned - churches are in exactly the same position as sports events, theatres, cinemas, team sports, choirs, non-virtual exercise classes etc etc.
I heard him interviewed on five Live. The presenter who was interviewing should have been harder than she was, I think. There is no excuse for such irresponsible ideas  and suggestions.
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« Reply #1388 on: April 08, 2020, 02:28:44 PM »
I agree, and I don't think the article disagrees at all so not sure what is meant here by 'Hmm'

It was a "hmmm" meaning "interesting and perhaps it chimes with the following..." not a sceptical hmmm.
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« Reply #1389 on: April 08, 2020, 02:39:27 PM »
It was a "hmmm" meaning "interesting and perhaps it chimes with the following..." not a sceptical hmmm.
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« Reply #1390 on: April 08, 2020, 02:47:10 PM »
I heard him interviewed on five Live. The presenter who was interviewing should have been harder than she was, I think. There is no excuse for such irresponsible ideas  and suggestions.

The BBC has a policy of keeping challenges to religions to a minimum, if you think I'm wrong try to find anything on the BBC that looks remotely like a challenge to them, if you find one don't tell me about it, the surprise might be just that bit to much for me.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1391 on: April 08, 2020, 04:27:44 PM »
From the BBC's live feed.



'US mayor's social distancing crackdown leads to his wife's arrest

An Illinois mayor directed local police to vigorously enforce the state's social distancing order, after reports of residents defying them.

"These are very serious times and I'm begging you to please stay at home," Alton mayor Brant Walker said on Friday.

Less than two days later, Alton police broke up a party at a local bar. The group was "clearly disregarding the executive order and public pleas for compliance", authorities said.

It turned out that Mayor Walker's wife was in attendance at the illicit party.

"I am embarrassed by this incident and apologise to the citizens of Alton," Walker said in a statement. "My wife is an adult capable of making her own decisions, and in this instance she showed a stunning lack of judgment'


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« Reply #1392 on: April 08, 2020, 04:50:41 PM »
From the BBC's live feed.



'US mayor's social distancing crackdown leads to his wife's arrest

An Illinois mayor directed local police to vigorously enforce the state's social distancing order, after reports of residents defying them.

"These are very serious times and I'm begging you to please stay at home," Alton mayor Brant Walker said on Friday.

Less than two days later, Alton police broke up a party at a local bar. The group was "clearly disregarding the executive order and public pleas for compliance", authorities said.

It turned out that Mayor Walker's wife was in attendance at the illicit party.

"I am embarrassed by this incident and apologise to the citizens of Alton," Walker said in a statement. "My wife is an adult capable of making her own decisions, and in this instance she showed a stunning lack of judgment'

Fair do's to the geezer. Didn't try to justify his missus' lack of judgement.
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« Reply #1393 on: April 08, 2020, 07:02:06 PM »
And stable in intensive care means you are in a very bad way, just nor deteriorating (nor improving).
just as an example , when i was in ICU couldn't tell them my own name for almost 3 weeks !

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« Reply #1394 on: April 09, 2020, 09:38:37 AM »
GREAT NEWS!
Today's 'Daily Mail' says that the lockdown will last for weeks to come, so it'll probably be over by Saturday!  ;D
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« Reply #1395 on: April 09, 2020, 10:21:22 AM »
GREAT NEWS!
Today's 'Daily Mail' says that the lockdown will last for weeks to come, so it'll probably be over by Saturday!  ;D

A Saturday in the next millennium, if we are lucky! ;D
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« Reply #1396 on: April 09, 2020, 10:31:56 AM »
GREAT NEWS!
Today's 'Daily Mail' says that the lockdown will last for weeks to come, so it'll probably be over by Saturday!  ;D

Or it will last months to come.
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« Reply #1397 on: April 09, 2020, 11:16:04 AM »
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« Reply #1398 on: April 09, 2020, 11:29:21 AM »
if you think I'm wrong try to find anything on the BBC that looks remotely like a challenge to them,

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« Reply #1399 on: April 09, 2020, 11:31:08 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52227363

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