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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1600 on: April 18, 2020, 11:35:54 AM »
There may be a vaccine by autumn.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1601 on: April 18, 2020, 11:50:45 AM »
There may be a vaccine by autumn.

Fingers crossed.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1602 on: April 18, 2020, 11:57:28 AM »
There may be a vaccine by autumn.

I doubt it. At least, I doubt it will be ready to vaccinate the general population.
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« Reply #1603 on: April 18, 2020, 12:06:10 PM »
The figures speak for themselves. Sweden's death rate per million is ten times that of ours. So you tell the elderly and risk groups to stay at home and it doesn't matter how many get it. How long do they have to stay at home? They have all the burden put on then.

It's not done, Finland could suffer from a 2nd or 3rd wave whilst Sweden gets no further waves.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1604 on: April 18, 2020, 12:16:50 PM »
I doubt it. At least, I doubt it will be ready to vaccinate the general population.
It's what some Oxford scientists are saying - and, as the i points out, scientists are notoriously cautious.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1605 on: April 18, 2020, 12:49:27 PM »
It's what some Oxford scientists are saying - and, as the i points out, scientists are notoriously cautious.
You mean these ones?

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52329659

They haven’t even started trials yet. I’d say they’re being optimistic.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1606 on: April 18, 2020, 01:21:29 PM »
Idiots

https://metro.co.uk/video/packed-scenes-westminster-bridge-8pm-clap-carers-2153754/

People gathered on Westminster Bridge to clap the NHS. Don't they have any idea why this clapping keeps happening?

Also, the police were joining in.

Sometimes people are just stupid.
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« Reply #1607 on: April 18, 2020, 01:32:59 PM »
Does death really respect age, sex or cause/  The bible is clear that God created man and everything to be good and nothing harmful.  Man disobeyed God and brought the fall and the bad things from Satan handing mankind over to his will and harm for man.  You throw these things in as if it somehow supports your beliefs about God. But the bible shows God is good and it shows if mankind trusts what he has done they can find his will for their lives now before they face the last judgement. You make your own decisions and you therefore by your choice decide who rules your life and your world. God does not want children dying of cancer and coronavirus I believe is manmade in his labs.  When all men at the top care about is money and power how do you expect them to give the healing treatment and lose multi billion pounds from drugs being sold to treat people? We can argue about what is here forever but we have to know what God has to offer before it all ends and you realise like so many that you were wrong. Deception is something Satan is good at.
In my opinion, that post is not only disgracefully wrong information, but an insult to those who are carrying out the restrictions placed on us and those who are working to heal.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1608 on: April 18, 2020, 01:34:25 PM »
Idiots

https://metro.co.uk/video/packed-scenes-westminster-bridge-8pm-clap-carers-2153754/

People gathered on Westminster Bridge to clap the NHS. Don't they have any idea why this clapping keeps happening?

Also, the police were joining in.

Sometimes people are just stupid.

Clapping is good if it shows how much we appreciate the NHS, however it should not be done in a crowd. Standing at the door or bedroom window of one's property is the way to do it.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1609 on: April 18, 2020, 01:43:44 PM »
You mean these ones?

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52329659

They haven’t even started trials yet. I’d say they’re being optimistic.
The BBC is being optimistic, not the scientists. In the more sober i report, they were saying there was an 80% chance they'd have a vaccine by the autumn, but it might not work.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1611 on: April 18, 2020, 02:20:43 PM »
Does death really respect age, sex or cause/  The bible is clear that God created man and everything to be good and nothing harmful.  Man disobeyed God and brought the fall and the bad things from Satan handing mankind over to his will and harm for man.  You throw these things in as if it somehow supports your beliefs about God. But the bible shows God is good and it shows if mankind trusts what he has done they can find his will for their lives now before they face the last judgement. You make your own decisions and you therefore by your choice decide who rules your life and your world. God does not want children dying of cancer and coronavirus I believe is manmade in his labs.  When all men at the top care about is money and power how do you expect them to give the healing treatment and lose multi billion pounds from drugs being sold to treat people? We can argue about what is here forever but we have to know what God has to offer before it all ends and you realise like so many that you were wrong. Deception is something Satan is good at.

This really makes no sense at all.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1612 on: April 18, 2020, 02:30:23 PM »
This really makes no sense at all.

Nor do most of her posts. ::)

NS that is an interesting article.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1613 on: April 18, 2020, 08:01:59 PM »
Cptn Tom Moore has now raised over 23M for NHS charities. One of my worries about this is that people might think this a significantly large number. Let's consider that even if he were to make 100M, it is way less than 0.1% of the annual budget of the NHS
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« Reply #1614 on: April 18, 2020, 09:06:28 PM »
The BBC is being optimistic, not the scientists. In the more sober i report, they were saying there was an 80% chance they'd have a vaccine by the autumn, but it might not work.

In theory it should work and we could have a vaccine in September - ready for mass production. However the virus is quite tricky. The Naked Scientists have a genetics podcast that describes some of the issues found in parallel attempts.
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« Reply #1615 on: April 18, 2020, 09:08:41 PM »
Cptn Tom Moore has now raised over 23M for NHS charities. One of my worries about this is that people might think this a significantly large number. Let's consider that even if he were to make 100M, it is way less than 0.1% of the annual budget of the NHS
The umbrella charity, representing a number of NHS charities, to which the money is going, has an explicit rule that its financial contributions must not go on core services, such as nurses' and doctors' salaries. It goes towards extras, which make hospital patients' stays pleasanter: toys for children's wards, artwork to cheer up adult wards, etc. I think £23m will make quite a difference there.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1616 on: April 18, 2020, 09:11:09 PM »
Cptn Tom Moore has now raised over 23M for NHS charities. One of my worries about this is that people might think this a significantly large number. Let's consider that even if he were to make 100M, it is way less than 0.1% of the annual budget of the NHS

Bugger ... they'll be sending him up Snowdon or Ben Nevis next  ;)
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1617 on: April 18, 2020, 09:17:22 PM »
The umbrella charity, representing a number of NHS charities, to which the money is going, has an explicit rule that its financial contributions must not go on core services, such as nurses' and doctors' salaries. It goes towards extras, which make hospital patients' stays pleasanter: toys for children's wards, artwork to cheer up adult wards, etc. I think £23m will make quite a difference there.
Yes, I get that but people think the number itself is significant in terms of what happens in the NHS because they don't understand the scale. It won't.
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« Reply #1619 on: April 18, 2020, 10:00:08 PM »
I was perusing the statistics on https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus I'm in shock because they are reporting that the USA had almost 5,000 deaths yesterday. I sincerely hope it is an error or an artefact of the Easter weekend (delayed  reporting perhaps).

I've bookmarked the link.  The problem with the US is Trump and his GOP State cohorts have done everything to stop both testing (Trump does not want accurate numbers because of how it might negatively affect the Stock Market) and accurate data on deaths.  I've read where hospitals in conservative states (like Florida here) are complaining that their reports on the COVID related deaths are not being counted.  I follow the John's Hopkins data, but even there, they are limited to what's available. 

The only government official I listen to is Andrew Cuomo, governor of New York.  He holds daily briefings on New York, but his information shows just how effective a government official can be when lives are more important than the stock market, but also when trying to keep the economy from senselessly suffering.  On the latter, he was the first to mention how an antibody test could allow people who have had COVID and recovered to return to the workplace, and also possibly help be part of a cure or treatment by donating their blood plasma.  Oh, how I wish someone like him was in charge of the federal government. (I'll bet he wishes the same thing.)
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« Reply #1620 on: April 19, 2020, 10:23:01 AM »
I've bookmarked the link.  The problem with the US is Trump and his GOP State cohorts have done everything to stop both testing (Trump does not want accurate numbers because of how it might negatively affect the Stock Market) and accurate data on deaths.  I've read where hospitals in conservative states (like Florida here) are complaining that their reports on the COVID related deaths are not being counted.  I follow the John's Hopkins data, but even there, they are limited to what's available. 

The only government official I listen to is Andrew Cuomo, governor of New York.  He holds daily briefings on New York, but his information shows just how effective a government official can be when lives are more important than the stock market, but also when trying to keep the economy from senselessly suffering.  On the latter, he was the first to mention how an antibody test could allow people who have had COVID and recovered to return to the workplace, and also possibly help be part of a cure or treatment by donating their blood plasma.  Oh, how I wish someone like him was in charge of the federal government. (I'll bet he wishes the same thing.)

The huge jump to which I referred was partly an artefact. New York discovered some cases that they should have counted but didn't. Nevertheless, it's still pretty grim - three thousand deaths yesterday. Mind you, taking into account population size, it's still worse here in the UK.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1621 on: April 19, 2020, 11:16:36 AM »

How the UK lost 5 weeks to help deal with the virus.

http://archive.vn/ofnfS

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1622 on: April 19, 2020, 12:05:25 PM »
The plan is for my friend to be off the ventilator for 12 hours today, and she is now capable of following conversation and give head nods and hand gestures. Big step forward.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1623 on: April 19, 2020, 12:47:38 PM »
Caught up with yesterday's Dateline: London, always a good watch. The discussion highlights that this has not been a good crisis for international cooperation, but that in the end shows we need to get better at that rather than indulging in looking inwards.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006m93g

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« Reply #1624 on: April 19, 2020, 03:36:10 PM »
Here's an interesting video about designing ventilators and why it is not as easy as Mr Dyson, Mr Musk and Mr Branson probably thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vLPefHYWpY
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