Coronavirus

[Alan Burns]

471,000 deaths worldwide from COVID19. You are praising God for that?

I praise God for everything, because without God, there would nothing to praise and no one to do the praising.
I can praise God for the human freedom which allows us to choose between good and evil, and for the natural freedom in nature which has brought this world to exist as it is.  With both these freedoms there are consequences which are not God's will - because in order for freedom to exist, God must delegate power to human will and nature.  What God can do and does do to is to give us strength to endure whatever comes if we stay faithful to Him.

[Nearly Sane]

I praise God for everything, because without God, there would nothing to praise and no one to do the praising.
I can praise God for the human freedom which allows us to choose between good and evil, and for the natural freedom in nature which has brought this world to exist as it is.  With both these freedoms there are consequences which are not God's will - because in order for freedom to exist, God must delegate power to human will and nature.  What God can do and does do to is to give us strength to endure whatever comes if we stay faithful to Him.

and the Holocaust being part free will which you think id a miracle means you give thanks to your thug god for it, amazing grace, indeed

[Alan Burns]

We had a discussion once that since you believe  all actions of your idea of 'free will' to be miracles, and the act of the Holocaust to be acts of 'free will' then it is a set of miracles. Are you saying you disagree with this now?

I did say that every act of human free will is a miracle, because such freedom does not occur in nature. But it is human will not God's will.  The freedom we all have to choose between good and evil is a miraculous power given to us by God - but that does not mean that our choice is God's choice.  The way we use this power will determine our ultimate destiny.

[Nearly Sane]

I did say that every act of human free will is a miracle, because such freedom does not occur in nature. But it is human will not God's will.  The freedom we all have to choose between good and evil is a miraculous power given to us by God - but that does not mean that our choice is God's choice.

So if every 'free will' decision is a miracle, and the Holocaust is the result of many 'free will' decisions, in what way is it not a miracle.

And you also said on this thread that you give praise your god for everything, so therefore you praise your god for the Holocaust

[Nearly Sane]

So in England you will be able to get a haircut but there is still an aim to keep 1m + in England, but nail bars aren't be allowed to open. How do you do a 1m+ haircut but not a nail colour?

[Gordon]

I did say that every act of human free will is a miracle, because such freedom does not occur in nature. But it is human will not God's will.  The freedom we all have to choose between good and evil is a miraculous power given to us by God - but that does not mean that our choice is God's choice.  The way we use this power will determine our ultimate destiny.

Pish - Covid is yet another example of the so-called 'Problem of Evil' and indicates that if your version of 'God' exists (which I personally doubt) it is either perverse or else it is incompetent.

[Alan Burns]

Pish - Covid is yet another example of the so-called 'Problem of Evil' and indicates that if your version of 'God' exists (which I personally doubt) it is either perverse or else it is incompetent.

By what authority can you possibly judge God?
God has given us the knowledge to discern between Good and evil, and He gives us the freedom to choose between them.
He also allows nature to take its course with good and bad consequences.
If God had given us all a fluffy pink world to live in where no one suffers or needs any help from others, would we be better people, or would we just become self centred individuals living in a loveless world?
Yes, I do praise God for everything - even though I do not fully understand it all - because I love God and I know that He loves us all.

[Nearly Sane]

By what authority can you possibly judge God?
God has given us the knowledge to discern between Good and evil, and He gives us the freedom to choose between them.
He also allows nature to take its course with good and bad consequences.
If God had given us all a fluffy pink world to live in where no one suffers or needs any help from others, would we be better people, or would we just become self centred individuals living in a loveless world?
Yes, I do praise God for everything - even though I do not fully understand it all - because I love God and I know that He loves us all.

If you think you can't judge your god , then you can't judge it worthy of worship. Your post is an illogical contradicstion

[torridon]

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Yes, I do praise God for everything - even though I do not fully understand it all - because I love God and I know that He loves us all.

That sums up pretty much why we ignore your posts, it is pretty obvious you've succumbed to the cardinal sin of letting your emotions get in the way of objectivity.   If you want to know truth, you first have to learn to put your emotions to one side....

[Gordon]

By what authority can you possibly judge God?
God has given us the knowledge to discern between Good and evil, and He gives us the freedom to choose between them.
He also allows nature to take its course with good and bad consequences.
If God had given us all a fluffy pink world to live in where no one suffers or needs any help from others, would we be better people, or would we just become self centred individuals living in a loveless world?
Yes, I do praise God for everything - even though I do not fully understand it all - because I love God and I know that He loves us all.

Then you are, in the face of issues like Covid, a credulous fool - it may be that you are a sincere credulous fool, but you are a fool nonetheless.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

If you think you can't judge your god , then you can't judge it worthy of worship. Your post is an illogical contradicstion

I think you'll be able to make an armchair experts judgment. I should imagine there's  no issues with proficiency in that direction.

[Nearly Sane]

I think you'll be able to make an armchair experts judgment. I should imagine there's  no issues with proficiency in that direction.

Idiotic drivel

[SteveH]

So if every 'free will' decision is a miracle, and the Holocaust is the result of many 'free will' decisions, in what way is it not a miracle.

And you also said on this thread that you give praise your god for everything, so therefore you praise your god for the Holocaust

You sound sillier and more obtuse with every post on this thread. You should quit while you're behind.

[SusanDoris]

I heard an interesting statistic yesterday - apparently of those who have had covid 19, the atheists are twice as likely not to die! A friend was telling me she had read this and when I asked how the information was discovered, she said that the report had explained the researchers had checked census information. No link, I'm afraid, my friend is a non-computer person.

[SteveH]

I heard an interesting statistic yesterday - apparently of those who have had covid 19, the atheists are twice as likely not to die! A friend was telling me she had read this and when I asked how the information was discovered, she said that the report had explained the researchers had checked census information. No link, I'm afraid, my friend is a non-computer person.

Probably because the Christians are older.

[Roses]

You sound sillier and more obtuse with every post on this thread. You should quit while you're behind.

NS is ahead of the game, it is you who needs to catch up.

[Nearly Sane]

You sound sillier and more obtuse with every post on this thread. You should quit while you're behind.

Any chance you might try and point out why you think I am wrong about AB's position?

[SteveH]

Any chance you might try and point out why you think I am wrong about AB's position?

Certainly. AB argues that free will is miraculous. However, if we have it, we have the ability to make wrong choices. A whole series of very wrong choices led to the holocaust. That is hardly the same as saying that the holocaust is miraculous. There are problems with the free-will defence of evil, but that isn't one of them.

[Nearly Sane]

Certainly. AB argues that free will is miraculous. However, if we have it, we have the ability to make wrong choices. A whole series of very wrong choices led to the holocaust. That is hardly the same as saying that the holocaust is miraculous. There are problems with the free-will defence of evil, but that isn't one of them.

If something is as a result of a set of miracles, then in what way is it not miraculous. You haven't argued against it, you have simply made an assertion. I am not making a general point about free will and evil, rather a specific point about AB's particular position.




I note you ignored the second paragraph

[ekim]

God has given us the knowledge to discern between Good and evil, and He gives us the freedom to choose between them.
.

Except that it looks like his intention was that man should not make such judgements:
"But from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you must not eat from it; for on the day you eat from it,  you shall be dying."
Gen 2:17

[ad_orientem]

Sweden's chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, "mastermind" behind Sweden's corona strategy, now seems to be shifting the blame to the rest of the EU. In an interview on Swedish radio he said that for years he has been talking with other experts on how to deal with such pandemics. He claims Sweden has followed a "classic pandemic strategy", whatever that's supposed to mean, and that he trusted the rest of the EU would follow suit, that is, "until the whole world went mad" and went into lockdown.

Sorry I haven't post a link to the article I read but I couldn't find an English version.

[Roses]

I reckon the opening of pubs is reckless as people who drink too much are unlikely to bother about social distancing.

[Aruntraveller]

I reckon the opening of pubs is reckless as people who drink too much are unlikely to bother about social distancing.

I agree. And anecdotally I did the weekly shop this morning at Sainsburys and many more people seem to have ditched any attempt at maintaining 2 metres already.

[Roses]

I agree. And anecdotally I did the weekly shop this morning at Sainsburys and many more people seem to have ditched any attempt at maintaining 2 metres already.

Tesco seem to be quite strict about social distancing at present. I always wear a mask and disposable rubber gloves when shopping there.

[SteveH]

I reckon the opening of pubs is reckless as people who drink too much are unlikely to bother about social distancing.

It can be enforced, and why do you assume pub-goers drink too much?