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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2800 on: July 24, 2020, 01:43:32 PM »
Randy Rainbow with a plea to Anthony Fauci


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« Reply #2801 on: July 25, 2020, 01:19:05 PM »
From the BBCs rolling Covid daily report. Shocking.


'US infectious diseases chief Dr Anthony Fauci says he and his family have received "serious threats" because of his work trying to contain the coronavirus outbreak.

He told CNN's David Axelrod that the amount of hate mail and threats were "not good". He said there were "many people who get really angry thinking I'm interfering with their life because I'm pushing a public health agenda".'

"It's tough. Serious threats against me, against my wife, against my daughters. I mean, really? Is this the United States of America?" he said.


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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2802 on: July 25, 2020, 03:16:25 PM »
Haven't been out that much since this blasted virus started, I went out today and I did notice that so many don't seem to have even the faintest idea of how to judge two meters?

I would have thought picturing the height of the standard household internal door which is two meters would be one of the easiest ways to assist making this judgement.

We have a pathway by the river here that is obviously to me two meters wide, within an inch (25mm-50mm) or two, so it's impossible to pass each other by and keep to the two meters without stepping off of the path, it's not rocket science.

Does anyone else notice this, what appears to be large numbers of people that have no idea when it comes to even the most simple of distance judgements?

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« Reply #2803 on: July 25, 2020, 04:04:11 PM »
Yes. It has been the same in my experience. The governments messaging hasn't helped though. 1 metre, here 2 metres there. Barnard Castle 200 miles. They have a problem with the concept of distance.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2804 on: July 25, 2020, 06:47:51 PM »
I've noted on the tennis thread that I think a number of players won't play in the US Open or the French Open dependent on where they are based
 Here's an NFL player opting out of the entire season - okay not a typical NFL player.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/american-football/53538715

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2805 on: July 25, 2020, 07:15:17 PM »
Scotland and the UK (though they've yet to formally confirm) re-introduce 14 days quarantine on arrivals from Spain.

From The Guardian's live blog.

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Scotland’s first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has announced that the Scottish government has also decided to reimpose quarantine on arrivals from Spain.......

The British government’s decision to remove Spain from list of safe countries to travel to means those coming back from Spain will have to self-isolate for two weeks upon their return to England.

A formal announcement is expected to be made by the Department for Transport on Saturday, PA reports.

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« Reply #2806 on: July 25, 2020, 07:49:55 PM »
Scotland and the UK (though they've yet to formally confirm) re-introduce 14 days quarantine on arrivals from Spain.

From The Guardian's live blog.
The Scottish govt's decision to lift this on Monday was obviously wrong at the time. In theory I have a holiday booked in Barcelona in September. I suspect this won't happen.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2807 on: July 25, 2020, 07:53:00 PM »
On the subject of understanding what 2 metres is, since I am 1.96 metres tall, it's pretty easy for me.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2808 on: July 27, 2020, 11:42:54 AM »
The Scottish govt's decision to lift this on Monday was obviously wrong at the time. In theory I have a holiday booked in Barcelona in September. I suspect this won't happen.
My parents are in France at the moment and, apparently, we are thinking about reimposing quarantine for France too. They wouldn't be too bothered about self isolating for fourteen days after coming back, but they couldn't stay there without insurance.
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« Reply #2809 on: July 27, 2020, 12:25:51 PM »
My parents are in France at the moment and, apparently, we are thinking about reimposing quarantine for France too. They wouldn't be too bothered about self isolating for fourteen days after coming back, but they couldn't stay there without insurance.

I hope it works out ok for them.
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« Reply #2810 on: July 27, 2020, 01:56:59 PM »
I hope it works out ok for them.

They'll be fine. The worst case scenario is that they have to cut their holiday short.
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« Reply #2811 on: July 27, 2020, 03:00:12 PM »
I am in France at the moment. In fact I intend to stay here for the next six weeks or so.

I an in a small village in an area which is not densely populated and which has had a very low level of COVID-19. It is not a tourist mecca and I doubt that - locally - there will be any problems. I am having glorious weather (daily in excess of 30 degrees) and yesterday had my first restaurant meal for over four months.

If, when I return to England, I am forced to self-isoate for two weeks then I shall set about doing that. I, at least, am having the kind of experience of which so many people will be denied this year.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2812 on: July 27, 2020, 08:04:52 PM »

Baffled as to why you would retweet something without at least reading the tweet

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53559934

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2813 on: July 28, 2020, 09:19:44 AM »

Interesting graphic about the countries with the most Covid cases over time in this. At the start the Diamond Princess gets to second place but then it all changes. Oddly at 2 points the UK cases go down


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51235105

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2814 on: July 28, 2020, 09:44:23 AM »
I am in France at the moment. In fact I intend to stay here for the next six weeks or so.

I an in a small village in an area which is not densely populated and which has had a very low level of COVID-19. It is not a tourist mecca and I doubt that - locally - there will be any problems. I am having glorious weather (daily in excess of 30 degrees) and yesterday had my first restaurant meal for over four months.

If, when I return to England, I am forced to self-isoate for two weeks then I shall set about doing that. I, at least, am having the kind of experience of which so many people will be denied this year.

The problem isn't the self isolation on return so much as the lack of travel insurance while you are still out there.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2815 on: July 28, 2020, 09:50:06 AM »
Baffled as to why you would retweet something without at least reading the tweet

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53559934
Baffled as to why you would post a link to a story without at least reading it first. :)

If you do a search on the page for "tweet" and "twitter" you might then have an understanding of why Lewis shared a video on Instagram without reading it properly.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2816 on: July 28, 2020, 09:59:00 AM »
Baffled as to why you would post a link to a story without at least reading it first. :)

If you do a search on the page for "tweet" and "twitter" you might then have an understanding of why Lewis shared a video on Instagram without reading it properly.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2817 on: July 28, 2020, 10:04:01 AM »
Oddly at 2 points the UK cases go down

Two possibilities:

1. We changed the way we count cases e.g. maybe we were double counting some people.

2. A mistake in the data behind the animation.

Probably the latter IMO.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2818 on: July 28, 2020, 10:08:57 AM »
Two possibilities:

1. We changed the way we count cases e.g. maybe we were double counting some people.

2. A mistake in the data behind the animation.

Probably the latter IMO.
I agree but if it was 1 then I would be very interested in the details.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2819 on: July 28, 2020, 10:52:57 AM »
I agree but if it was 1 then I would be very interested in the details.

So would I.

There was a news item the other day which reported that England counts its coronavirus deaths differently to the other home countries. The official statistic is the number of people who have died in care homes and hospitals having previously tested positive for coronavirus. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland were applying a month limit to how long previously the test could have happened. i.e. if somebody tested positive in March and died in May, in England it was a COVID19 death, elsewhere it was not.

If England had decided to retroactively bring its counting method in line with Scotland etc, you would see an apparent reduction of deaths in England. I'm not saying it is that specific thing, but some other similar counting anomaly might be the cause.



I've done a bit more digging. The graphics source is the European CDC which is the same source used by ourworldindata.com. Check out this graph of UK daily and cumulative cases:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-and-daily-cases-covid-19?country=~GBR

On 3rd July, there was a massive step down and approximately -30,000 new cases. Obviously you can't have a negative number of new cases, so somebody did an adjustment on that day. The same step down appears in data direct from the government.

https://coronavstats.co.uk

So I think option 1 is the most likely, after all.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2820 on: July 28, 2020, 11:00:37 AM »
So would I.

There was a news item the other day which reported that England counts its coronavirus deaths differently to the other home countries. The official statistic is the number of people who have died in care homes and hospitals having previously tested positive for coronavirus. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland were applying a month limit to how long previously the test could have happened. i.e. if somebody tested positive in March and died in May, in England it was a COVID19 death, elsewhere it was not.

If England had decided to retroactively bring its counting method in line with Scotland etc, you would see an apparent reduction of deaths in England. I'm not saying it is that specific thing, but some other similar counting anomaly might be the cause.



I've done a bit more digging. The graphics source is the European CDC which is the same source used by ourworldindata.com. Check out this graph of UK daily and cumulative cases:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-and-daily-cases-covid-19?country=~GBR

On 3rd July, there was a massive step down and approximately -30,000 new cases. Obviously you can't have a negative number of new cases, so somebody did an adjustment on that day. The same step down appears in data direct from the government.

https://coronavstats.co.uk

So I think option 1 is the most likely, after all.
Thanks for this and the wiki on Covid confirms


'On 2 July, the government revised the total number of cases down by 30,302 because some people were counted twice in the earlier figures. The actual increase in the number of cases for 2 July was 576 or 0.18%.[160]'


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-173

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2821 on: July 28, 2020, 11:07:04 AM »
From the BBC's  rolling Covid news


'France's transport minister has said the government will review plans to build a fourth terminal at Paris's main airport, Charles de Gaulle-Roissy.

Jean-Baptiste Djebbari said the fall in air traffic brought about by coronavirus meant extra capacity might no longer be needed.

The fourth terminal was meant to cope with an extra 40m passengers by 2030.

But the pandemic has caused a steep drop in international travel and many airlines are struggling to survive. On Tuesday French airport operator ADP said passenger traffic could take as long as seven years to recover fully.'


Will there be a similar impact on new runway at Heathrow?



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« Reply #2822 on: July 28, 2020, 11:13:28 AM »
From the BBC's  rolling Covid news


'France's transport minister has said the government will review plans to build a fourth terminal at Paris's main airport, Charles de Gaulle-Roissy.

Jean-Baptiste Djebbari said the fall in air traffic brought about by coronavirus meant extra capacity might no longer be needed.

The fourth terminal was meant to cope with an extra 40m passengers by 2030.

But the pandemic has caused a steep drop in international travel and many airlines are struggling to survive. On Tuesday French airport operator ADP said passenger traffic could take as long as seven years to recover fully.'


Will there be a similar impact on new runway at Heathrow?

I wouldn't be at all surprised, unless the government chooses to go ahead with it as part of its stimulus package.
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« Reply #2823 on: July 28, 2020, 11:24:42 AM »
I wouldn't be at all surprised, unless the government chooses to go ahead with it as part of its stimulus package.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2824 on: July 28, 2020, 11:33:33 AM »