Coronavirus

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The wife of former president Martti Ahtisaari haa tested positive for the virus. She caught it at a Internal Womens Day concert. She's 83.

[SusanDoris]

I see the MD of the CofE has decided that we need prayers, and has kicked this off as follows:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/NationalDayOfPrayer?src=hash

One wonders if those praying to 'God' might ask it why it didn't step in much earlier, such as before this all kicked off.

Totally agree - it is so hypocritical.

[SteveH]

Totally agree - it is so hypocritical.

Nothing hypocritical about it. You might argue that it's illogical (though there are plenty of answers to the question of why an omnipotent, omnibenevolent God allows natural disasters - I started a thread on the sbject once, but it was completely sabotaged by laboured, childish sarcasm from some other members), but if it's sincere, as I don't think anyone is doubting, it isn't hypocritical. Too many people bandy that word about as a general-purpose insult without, apparently, knowing what it means.

[jeremyp]

Totally agree - it is so hypocritical.

Clearly, since God is omniscient and omnipotent, the coronavirus is part of his/her/its plan. It seems a bit presumptuous of Christians to assume that he/she/it made a mistake and ask him/her/it to change his/her/its mind.

[SteveH]

Clearly, since God is omniscient and omnipotent, the coronavirus is part of his/her/its plan. It seems a bit presumptuous of Christians to assume that he/she/it made a mistake and ask him/her/it to change his/her/its mind.

This is exactly the sort of laboured, childish sarcasm and inadequate view of God that I was referring to. Thanks for illustrating my point.

[Aruntraveller]

This is exactly the sort of laboured, childish sarcasm and inadequate view of God that I was referring to. Thanks for illustrating my point.

Why is it laboured?

Christians argue that God created everything, they frequently pray for God to intervene in their lives to obtain better outcomes for specific reasons, whether that be for keeping family safe or relieving the pain of a loved one and hundreds of other reasons. It is not an unreasonable pov that Jeremyp is putting forward.

You suggesting that it is

laboured, childish sarcasm

points more to the fact that you haven't got an adequate explanation, rather than Jeremy having an

inadequate view of God

.

[Nearly Sane]

It's been obvious for a couple of weeks that the Olympics can't go ahead, just amazed that they haven't made the decision but individual countries have.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52000044

[Roses]

I have just done my weekly Tesco supermarket shop. It wasn't too busy, and apart from the anti-bac shelf it was very well stocked, especially with loo rolls, which every one was buying!

[SteveH]

You suggesting that it is [laboured, childish sarcasm] points more to the fact that you haven't got an adequate explanation, rather than Jeremy having an [inadequate view of God].

I stsarted a thread some time ago about omnipotence: what was it, does God necessarily have it, etc - and was hoping for an intelligent, courteous discussion. I should have known better, of course: all the usual suspects weighed in with non-stop sarcasm and bloody insulting comments, which made me lose my temper and tell them to do something both immoral and physically impossible. I then got suspended for a month. I won't make that mistake again. Few or none of the non-believers on this forum are interested in sensible discussion.

[Gordon]

This is exactly the sort of laboured, childish sarcasm and inadequate view of God that I was referring to. Thanks for illustrating my point.

It isn't laboured: 'God' could have prevented this but decided to allow it, so Christians praying to 'God' to alleviate it are in essence implying that 'God' got it wrong (which doesn't square with the 'omnis'), or 'God' is monstrous enough to wait for prayers for help before intervening.

This is where the 'Problem of Evil' kicks in, and is a powerful argument against there being a 'good God'.

[Walter]

The ridiculousness of the premise of the god of the bible is truely highlighted by our present global situation

Either god doesn't care or it's not there , I know which side my bread is buttered !

[SteveH]

Could the atheists possibly demonstrate their utterly inadequate understanding of Christian theology on other threads, and let this one return to discussing Covid-19, please?

[Walter]

Could the atheists possibly demonstrate their utterly inadequate understanding of Christian theology on other threads, and let this one return to discussing Covid-19, please?

steve
Did your god send covid 19 to earth ?

[Harrowby Hall]

It's been obvious for a couple of weeks that the Olympics can't go ahead, just amazed that they haven't made the decision but individual countries have.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52000044

A move to September/October would result in a better Games. Japan's climate is such that summer is hot and very humid. The contestants would find it difficult to do their best. Autumn is very much more comfortable - and in addition, very beautiful, very similar to the New England fall.

In Tokyo, people could spend time in Ueno Park. Those prepared to spend a few days away from Tokyo could go to Kyoto. Or better still to Hiroshima and spend a day on Miyajima island.

[SusanDoris]

This is exactly the sort of laboured, childish sarcasm and inadequate view of God that I was referring to. Thanks for illustrating my point.

Please join the Graham Hancock forum, go to Inner Space, and join in my topic titled: The corona virus and God'. See if you can offer a point which I do not successfully challenge!

[Walter]

Please join the Graham Hancock forum, go to Inner Space, and join in my topic titled: The corona virus and God'. See if you can offer a point which I do not successfully challenge!

SD
why not start it on here ?

[SusanDoris]

Could the atheists possibly demonstrate their utterly inadequate understanding of Christian theology on other threads, and let this one return to discussing Covid-19, please?

Ah, now there's another topic I started once on another forum (not GH). I can  assure you that there is not a single theologian who knows any fact about god/god/etc. Every single word, thought or idea about God (or any god), whether written or not, has come from an evolved human brain. And the definition of theology is' a study of 'the nature of God', but since the God referred to remains entirely lacking a scrap of objective (etc etc) evidence, the study of its nature is, again, all human ideas.

[Walter]

Ah, now there's another topic I started once on another forum (not GH). I can  assure you that there is not a single theologian who knows any fact about god/god/etc. Every single word, thought or idea about God (or any god), whether written or not, has come from an evolved human brain. And the definition of theology is' a study of 'the nature of God', but since the God referred to remains entirely lacking a scrap of objective (etc etc) evidence, the study of its nature is, again, all human ideas.

sd
Can't argue with that Susan 👍👍

[SteveH]

Please join the Graham Hancock forum, go to Inner Space, and join in my topic titled: The corona virus and God'. See if you can offer a point which I do not successfully challenge!

Don't think I'll bother, thanks.

[Roses]

Ah, now there's another topic I started once on another forum (not GH). I can  assure you that there is not a single theologian who knows any fact about god/god/etc. Every single word, thought or idea about God (or any god), whether written or not, has come from an evolved human brain. And the definition of theology is' a study of 'the nature of God', but since the God referred to remains entirely lacking a scrap of objective (etc etc) evidence, the study of its nature is, again, all human ideas.

I agree with you.

[Aruntraveller]

On a more light-hearted, but still essentially serious note, Newsthump:

https://newsthump.com/2020/03/23/politicians-who-campaigned-for-leave-shocked-that-people-wont-listen-to-experts/?fbclid=IwAR20UIxYaUKaBXQ5ehgkbRSl1hWKgTEuqwk0By9WebiLZasmRNkDktLLTs0

[SteveH]

I've started a thread called 'God and Suffering' in the Christina section, so perhaps the theological discussion (a flattering description) could continue there, and this thread be left to discussion of the lurgi.

[Walter]

A friend of mine told his wife to go and put on her nurses uniform .
Off she went all excited to get herself ready .
"What do to think darling"
Lovely , now go down to Tesco and get in the queue for a loaf of bread !

[Aruntraveller]

I've started a thread called 'God and Suffering' in the Christina section, so perhaps the theological discussion (a flattering description) could continue there, and this thread be left to discussion of the lurgi.

Nothing like resorting to that which you have accused others of.

[Gordon]

I've started a thread called 'God and Suffering' in the Christina section, so perhaps the theological discussion (a flattering description) could continue there, and this thread be left to discussion of the lurgi.

Just to note that I raised this issue because the CofE started a prayer event specifically as a response to Coronavirus, and as such the issue as raised was on topic.

I would agree though that a wider discussion of Christian theology, or the likes of the 'Problem of Evil', would be better placed in your new thread.