Coronavirus

[jeremyp]

This is exactly the sort of laboured, childish sarcasm and inadequate view of God that I was referring to. Thanks for illustrating my point.

But it's logically unassailable. If God is omnipotent and omniscient, we can only conclude he wants this pandemic to happen.  No amount of you trying  to hand wave it away will invalidate the point.

[jeremyp]

Each day that goes by reveals new and unforeseen (by me) consequences.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-52005044

The trial of the people accused of murdering PC Harper has collapsed  because three jurors are self isolating.

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52003543

This is sickening and then some! 

Three teenage boys deliberately coughed in the faces of an elderly couple, a fight then ensured. The woman ended up in hospital and their car was damaged! Those boys deserve to be locked up where the sun don't shine for a very long time! 

[SteveH]

But it's logically unassailable. If God is omnipotent and omniscient, we can only conclude he wants this pandemic to happen.  No amount of you trying  to hand wave it away will invalidate the point.

I'm not trying to hand-wave anything away - I do not believe in God's omnipotence, unless you make so many qualifications as to make the word meaningless. However, perhaps we could continue on the new thread.

[SteveH]

Christina section,

Who's Christina Section?

[Roses]

Who's Christina Section?

I was going to ask you that as it was the name you created!

[Gordon]

There is a local rumour, which may or may not be true, that a temporary mortuary is being built on one of the local golf courses.

[Roses]

There is a local rumour, which may or may not be true, that a temporary mortuary is being built on one of the local golf courses.

That wouldn't be the one owned by the clown across the pond by any chance?

[Gordon]

That wouldn't be the one owned by the clown across the pond by any chance?

No - that one is well south of here.

[Robbie]

You won't go South just yet Gordon.

[wigginhall]

Deaths in Lombardy flattening?  320 today after 540 Saturday.   Early days, of course.  Ferdinando Giugliano, twitter.

[Gordon]

Johnson is to do a broadcast at 8.30: I wonder if this might involve implementing restrictions in movement. 

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Deaths in Lombardy flattening?  320 today after 540 Saturday.   Early days, of course.  Ferdinando Giugliano, twitter.

Let's hope so. Terrible what's happened there and quite frightening.

[Spud]

Johnson is to do a broadcast at 8.30: I wonder if this might involve implementing restrictions in movement.

I'm hoping they won't ban working on allotments.

[Robbie]

I stsarted a thread some time ago about omnipotence: what was it, does God necessarily have it, etc - and was hoping for an intelligent, courteous discussion. I should have known better, of course: all the usual suspects weighed in with non-stop sarcasm and bloody insulting comments, which made me lose my temper and tell them to do something both immoral and physically impossible. I then got suspended for a month. I won't make that mistake again. Few or none of the non-believers on this forum are interested in sensible discussion.

It could go on the Faith Sharing Area (Christina :-) ) where anyone may join in but there has to be a reasonable amount of respectful dialogue. It would be interesting if you started it again. I know what I believe but thik you would do better job of putting it into words.

[Robbie]

Johnson is to do a broadcast at 8.30: I wonder if this might involve implementing restrictions in movement.

More likely he will make suggestions or advise or say it would be good idea or something...by which time we'll have nodded off and some will go to the pub for last orders.

[Nearly Sane]

More likely he will make suggestions or advise or say it would be good idea or something...by which time we'll have nodded off and some will go to the pub for last orders.

It's always seemed a bit reactive but I suspect tonight needs to be a bit more stringent rather than up to now. In addition we will have the emergency powers, and he needs to say what we will do.

[Gordon]

I think he has do advise that implementation of some form of travel restrictions will now be needed - if not he will look weak.

It would be useful if he said something about the Brexit transition period being extended until after the pandemic is under control, and also to allowing time for a wash-up of all that happens, which is an unknown,

[jeremyp]

No - that one is well south of here.

He's got two. One is Turnberry and the other is just North of Aberdeen.

[Gordon]

He's got two. One is Turnberry and the other is just North of Aberdeen.

Of course he has: I'd forgotten about that one.

[jeremyp]

I think he has do advise that implementation of some form of travel restrictions will now be needed - if not he will look weak.

Actually he'd look weaker if his scientific advisors say we don't need more stringent travel restrictions but he gives in to the mob anyway.

Maybe it is the right thing to have more travel restrictions, maybe not (the number of new deaths over the last few days seems to have stabilised for now). I, for one, don't want him to be doing things to stop himself from looking weak. I want him to do things because they are the right thing to do. I know there's little hope of that because he is weak.

It would be useful if he said something about the Brexit transition period being extended until after the pandemic is under control, and also to allowing time for a wash-up of all that happens, which is an unknown,

He can't do that without the agreement of the EU. He also can't do that without looking weak.

[Nearly Sane]

Actually he'd look weaker if his scientific advisors say we don't need more stringent travel restrictions but he gives in to the mob anyway.

Maybe it is the right thing to have more travel restrictions, maybe not (the number of new deaths over the last few days seems to have stabilised for now). I, for one, don't want him to be doing things to stop himself from looking weak. I want him to do things because they are the right thing to do. I know there's little hope of that because he is weak.
He can't do that without the agreement of the EU. He also can't do that without looking weak.

I think not talking about suspension of Brexit makes him look weak. The broadcast was ok but he needs a better speech writer and he needs to be still clearer. There was not a clear statement of sanctions. Tons of stuff badly defined

[jeremyp]

I think not talking about suspension of Brexit makes him look weak.

It does to you and me, but to a Brexiteer it makes him look strong. I think you are right that he does need to ask the EU for a deferment, but he may not be able to.

The broadcast was ok but he needs a better speech writer and he needs to be still clearer. There was not a clear statement of sanctions. Tons of stuff badly defined

I just read the BBC story. It seemed pretty clear to me.

[Nearly Sane]

It does to you and me, but to a Brexiteer it makes him look strong. I think you are right that he does need to ask the EU for a deferment, but he may not be able to.
I just read the BBC story. It seemed pretty clear to me.

Then the Brexiteer is an idiot for not understanding that the  rules have changed. Trying  to not upset Brexit here is weak. If you just want to judge it by the fact that others might disagree it makes any expression of whether you think it strong ir weak worthless. .

And I watched the speech, so tell me about what enforcement means?

[jeremyp]

Then the Brexiteer is an idiot for not understanding that the  rules have changed.

Brexiteers are renowned for not understanding the realities of modern geopolitics. What makes you think they'd get it this time?

Trying  to not upset Brexit here is weak.

Of course it is. But Johnson needs the Brexiteers to maintain his flimsy grasp on power.

And I watched the speech, so tell me about what enforcement means?

It means  they've stopped just asking us nicely. Policemen will stop us  from going about our lawful business.

I'm actually a little bit disturbed and frightened at how easily they seem to have turned this country into North Korea.