Coronavirus

[SteveH]

https://dundonaldliberation.army/2020/03/05/uk-one-more-coronavirus-case-away-from-bono-geldof-aid-song/?fbclid=IwAR2hGLHPrjPSH02JFDw2V-oBOuYJtjU8U-9xdQxoskKS_7u5sNmLL_JVtBY

[Anchorman]

A rather daft one, in my opinion.

 
A rather wonderful one in mine.

[Nearly Sane]

Moderator Discussion of communion outside of the relevance of Covid 19 is off topic. Any further discussion in that vein will be removed.

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51761435

The US has a shortage of kits to test for the virus.

[Nearly Sane]

And first case in the Vatican

[ad_orientem]

In a population of over 67 million. I'm not panicking yet.

Indeed. I like those odds. I do think the whole thing is being blown a little out of proportion.

[jeremyp]

Communion isn't protection, it's commemoration.

I took LR's comment to mean that God won't be preventing communicants from contracting the disease while commemorating his son.

[wigginhall]

Indeed. I like those odds. I do think the whole thing is being blown a little out of proportion.

How do you know?

[SteveH]

How do you know?

Because of the oddss. Pay attention at the back!

[Nearly Sane]

"Church urges 'don't share chalices'

Religious groups have been announcing new guidance in a bid to protect congregations from the outbreak.

Among them is the Church in Wales, which has urged ministers not to share chalices during communion in a bid to halt the spread of coronavirus.

Its new advice also asks people to use "non-physical" ways of sharing the peace, instead of handshakes, hugs or kisses.

Catholics in some dioceses in England and Wales have also been advised not to offer their hands for the sign of peace. And Quakers have been urged not to shake hands as they would normally at the end of their meetings for worship."

[SteveH]

My local Wetherspoons, an hour ago, as usual had the TV tuned to the BBC news channel, with the sound down and the computer-generated subtitles on. It was reporting on the coronavirus, and, as I passed, the subtitles said something about "a statement from death row". That was quickly corrected to "...from DEFRA". Phew!

[wigginhall]

Because of the oddss. Pay attention at the back!

And of course, these won't change.  What a relief.

[ad_orientem]

And of course, these won't change.  What a relief.

My point was that we're in danger of sending people into panic. You already have people worried enough to go and stockpile hand sanitiser and food, and for what? Granted, there's much we don't know but what we do know is that this virus is not as contagious or as deadly as seasonal flu. It's about finding the right balance.

[Roses]

My point was that we're in danger of sending people into panic. You already have people worried enough to go and stockpile hand sanitiser and food, and for what? Granted, there's much we don't know but what we do know is that this virus is not as contagious or as deadly as seasonal flu. It's about finding the right balance.

It would appear to be more contagious than seasonal flu, from what they were saying on the news at lunchtime.

[wigginhall]

My point was that we're in danger of sending people into panic. You already have people worried enough to go and stockpile hand sanitiser and food, and for what? Granted, there's much we don't know but what we do know is that this virus is not as contagious or as deadly as seasonal flu. It's about finding the right balance.

Any back-up for your claims on contagion and fatalities?   I was reading that it's  10 times deadlier.

[Nearly Sane]

My point was that we're in danger of sending people into panic. You already have people worried enough to go and stockpile hand sanitiser and food, and for what? Granted, there's much we don't know but what we do know is that this virus is not as contagious or as deadly as seasonal flu. It's about finding the right balance.

I get some of the stockpiling given the idea of 2 weeks self isolation. I suspect some people might be going beyond that.

[ad_orientem]

Any back-up for your claims on contagion and fatalities?   I was reading that it's  10 times deadlier.

That's going according to the goverment's chief medical expert over here. In Wuhan 0.1% of the population have contracted the virus. 0.1% over here would be just over 6000 people. So far we have 15 confirmed cases. Compared to flu, annually in Finland 5% of adults and 10% of children contract the flu virus. So there's no need for panic yet.

[Nearly Sane]

Shite like Hancock lying undermines any govt message.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51769184

[wigginhall]

That's going according to the goverment's chief medical expert over here. In Wuhan 0.1% of the population have contracted the virus. 0.1% over here would be just over 6000 people. So far we have 15 confirmed cases. Compared to flu, annually in Finland 5% of adults and 10% of children contract the flu virus. So there's no need for panic yet.

Well, the Chinese are reporting areas with no infections for 3 weeks, and schools are reopening, so their strict measures seem to work.  I haven't noticed any panic.

WHO are reporting a death rate of 3.4%.   However, this probably leaves out many mild cases, so more like 1%?   However, this also suggests the virus is more widespread than stats show.

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51771815

There are now 163 cases of the virus 48 more than yesterday!

[jeremyp]

what we do know is that this virus is not as contagious or as deadly as seasonal flu. It's about finding the right balance.

No. It's more contagious and more deadly than seasonal flu. That's why we don't have panics every year about seasonal flu.

It is less contagious and probably less deadly than pandemic flu but that's not real of much comfort if you are one of the 20 million or so people who would die.

[wigginhall]

Just as a follow up, the US is reporting 99 cases, with 10 deaths.  This is a death rate of 10%.  However, it is likely that many more people have the virus mildly or without symptoms, so the death rate is much lower.  So the problem is a different one!

[jeremyp]

Just as a follow up, the US is reporting 99 cases, with 10 deaths.  This is a death rate of 10%.  However, it is likely that many more people have the virus mildly or without symptoms, so the death rate is much lower.  So the problem is a different one!

And we have 163 cases and one confirmed death (a man in Milton Keynes may have died from the virus, they're still doing the tests).

I'd be extremely concerned about the US figures because their healthcare system is not fit for purpose. If going to the doctor and then being quarantined for several weeks is going to cost you a lot of money, there is strong pressure not to do it.

[Robbie]

I think it would be safer to ditch the communion until this virus is over and done with. The sky fairy isn't going to be offering protection to the congregations.

How rude.

[Udayana]

Just as a follow up, the US is reporting 99 cases, with 10 deaths.  This is a death rate of 10%.  However, it is likely that many more people have the virus mildly or without symptoms, so the death rate is much lower.  So the problem is a different one!

They must be short of toilet paper!

(sorry )