Coronavirus

[Nearly Sane]

I doubt if there's anybody who would be handling this well.

Admittedly, the key worker thing is a complete horlicks. It seems to me the government is turning the education system into the largest ever child minding system.

There is a difference in thinking no one could be perfect and the PM is a useless pile of lying racist incompetent shitte

[Walter]

Anyone could do a better job. Or do you want to remove your tongue from Johnson's arse?

.....and stick it up yours ?

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[Nearly Sane]

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i love your adoration of the fuckwit PM.

[jeremyp]

i love your adoration of the fuckwit PM.

There's a difference between adoring the PM and recognising frothing at the mouth hatred of the PM in other people.

 

[Walter]

i love your adoration of the fuckwit PM.

what pisses me off are people who constantly whinge and fuckin whine .

Because that really helps doesn't it !

[Nearly Sane]

There's a difference between adoring the PM and recognising frothing at the mouth hatred of the PM in other people.

Indeed, but you seem very confused here.

[Nearly Sane]

what pisses me off are people who constantly whinge and fuckin whine .

Because that really helps doesn't it !

You must be awfully pissed off at yourself

[Gordon]

gordo
Why don't you knock on the door of 10 Downing Street and offer your services .
You obviously can do a better job of it .
Or you could just STFU 😷

Especially galling when the fuckwit concerned (and his party) does not have much electoral support here in Scotland, being voting in by the Brexit-supporting masses elsewhere in the UK, and now that an important issue other than Brexit has emerged we can see just how reckless these said masses were last year in voting as they did - as highlighted in the articles I posted links to: Johnson is clearly out of his depth.

You could do a better job, Walter, and getting back to Coronavirus we've had his usual optimistic 'we'll turn the tide within the next 12 weeks' soundbite earlier so let's see how effective he will be in his leadership and political skills in these coming weeks - though I can't see a current basis for having much in the way of confidence in him, and then of course, as the Coronavirus emergency (which it is) proceeds, the clock is ticking towards the 31st December.

Does Johnson have the leadership and political skills to manage these two major issues at the same time? Personally, I doubt it.

[Walter]

You must be awfully pissed off at yourself

you have mortally wounded me with the power of that comment 💪

[Walter]

Especially galling when the fuckwit concerned (and his party) does not have much electoral support here in Scotland, being voting in by the Brexit-supporting masses elsewhere in the UK, and now that an important issue other than Brexit has emerged we can see just how reckless these said masses were last year in voting as they did - as highlighted in the articles I posted links to: Johnson is clearly out of his depth.

You could do a better job, Walter, and getting back to Coronavirus we've had his usual optimistic 'we'll turn the tide within the next 12 weeks' soundbite earlier so let's see how effective he will be in his leadership and political skills in these coming weeks - though I can't see a current basis for having much in the way of confidence in him, and then of course, as the Coronavirus emergency (which it is) proceeds, the clock is ticking towards the 31st December.

Does Johnson have the leadership and political skills to manage these two major issues at the same time? Personally, I doubt it.

oh Gordo

I think STFU would have been the better option 😆

[Spud]

A sore throat is not a common symptom of COVID-19. If you have a sore throat it is likely you don't have it but have a cold.

The most common symptoms are persistent dry cough and raised temperature.

Please can posters here not spread gross misinformation - we are dealing with unprecedentedly challenging times, and misinformation of this kind simply makes matters worse.

Spud - if you don't know what you are talking about, better to simply shut up.

Sorry I got that wrong. I heard that the virus sits in the throat for several days before moving into the lower respiratory tract, so assumed that sore throat might be an initial symptom. Still, if the point of entry is the nose and mouth then it still makes sense to concentrate on hygiene for those areas.

[ad_orientem]

Apparently our national health and welfare institute isn't counting the confirmed cases themselves anymore, only colecting data that different regions themselves declare. Also I wonder what you have to do to be tested. Seems to go against WHO advice (test, test, test). Almost like they've given up and are just preparing for the worst. Makes me a bit worried.

[SusanDoris]

A question or two to those who so virulently oppose the PM and seem to consider everything that he, plus the Science, Medical and Finance peoplesay as worthless: who, do you suppose, would in the Conservative Party make abetter job of it? Or do you think there is someone in the Labour Party? Are you thinking of Jeremy Corbyn? I sincerely hope not. Or what about Salmond? The thought of him in charge of a country makes me shudder.

[SteveH]

The Tesco Express near my place of work normally opens from 06:00 to 23:00, but is now closing at 22:00 instead. What difference they think lopping an hour off in the late evening will make is anybody's guess. What it does do is inconvenience me and many of my fellow workers at the Mail Centre on the late shift, finishing at 22:00. who often pop in after finishing work at 22:00. Bloody tokenism, that's what it is. Twats.
(I thought I'd made a post like this last night ,but I can't find it. If a similar post is on another thread somewhere, that's why.)

[SteveH]

A question or two to those who so virulently oppose the PM and seem to consider everything that he, plus the Science, Medical and Finance peoplesay as worthless: who, do you suppose, would in the Conservative Party make abetter job of it? Or do you think there is someone in the Labour Party? Are you thinking of Jeremy Corbyn? I sincerely hope not. Or what about Salmond? The thought of him in charge of a country makes me shudder.

Why not Corbyn? He'd make a better job of it (or anything) than Bojo the Clown.

[Gordon]

A question or two to those who so virulently oppose the PM and seem to consider everything that he, plus the Science, Medical and Finance peoplesay as worthless: who, do you suppose, would in the Conservative Party make abetter job of it? Or do you think there is someone in the Labour Party? Are you thinking of Jeremy Corbyn? I sincerely hope not. Or what about Salmond? The thought of him in charge of a country makes me shudder.

I think you need to separate the politicians from the experts in terms of knowledge and competence, Susan, and that the current PM is a fuckwit really isn't that much of a surprise, since he has long since demonstrated his fuckwittery.

Of course some of us here in Scotland would prefer not to be governed by a political party that has minimal support here in Scotland, and others of us would prefer that Scotland was no longer part of the UK, but Salmond is no longer a political figure here and depending on how things go today, or over the next few days depending on how long the jury takes, his options may be constrained.

[ProfessorDavey]

Sorry I got that wrong. I heard that the virus sits in the throat for several days before moving into the lower respiratory tract, so assumed that sore throat might be an initial symptom.

Then perhaps you should actually find out stuff before posting things that are wrong and could, in the rumour mill kind of way, lead to people thinking that if they have a sore throat they have the virus or worse still if they don't have a sore throat they don't have the virus.

Still, if the point of entry is the nose and mouth then it still makes sense to concentrate on hygiene for those areas.

No it doesn't - cleaning the nose and mouth doesn't help. Why - because the route of infection is typically either breathing in virus in aerosol from a contaminated person breathing out, coughing etc. Having a clean nose wont prevent you breathing that air into your trachea or lungs. Secondly surface borne contamination that gets onto the hands and then touching the face with the hands - again having a clean nose and mouth doesn't help.

And that's why the focus, quite rightly is, social distancing and catch it, bill it, kill it to reduce the likelihood of infection for the former route. And hand washing/avoiding touching the face for the latter.

Why do you just make up stuff Spud? Please can you keep your ill-informed and bizarre ideas to yourself. In normal circumstances this is just irritating, but under the current circumstances rumours that take hold and act against reducing infection can literally result in people dying.

[Udayana]

I think you need to separate the politicians from the experts in terms of knowledge and competence, Susan, and that the current PM is a fuckwit really isn't that much of a surprise, since he has long since demonstrated his fuckwittery.

Of course some of us here in Scotland would prefer not to be governed by a political party that has minimal support here in Scotland, and others of us would prefer that Scotland was no longer part of the UK, but Salmond is no longer a political figure here and depending on how things go today, or over the next few days depending on how long the jury takes, his options may be constrained.

Of the current party leaders I think Nicola Sturgeon seems the most competent to handle the crisis. She seems to be able to listen to advice and come to firm decisions that can actually work, without denial, prevarication, ideology and other distractions. I think people would follow her directions/instructions?

John McDonnell seems to have firm ideas on how to handle the economic side - it sounds good but I don't know whether they would work or not.

[Spud]

Then perhaps you should actually find out stuff before posting things that are wrong and could, in the rumour mill kind of way, lead to people thinking that if they have a sore throat they have the virus or worse still if they don't have a sore throat they don't have the virus.

"We all began with a sore throat and hoarseness, some had a ‘strange’ headache. Some of us also had an upset stomach, this then moved into slight breathlessness before a fever began which came and went."
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18319115.coronavirus-positive-cases-covid-19-say-symptoms-start-simple-sore-throat---people-can-recover/

No it doesn't - cleaning the nose and mouth doesn't help. Why - because the route of infection is typically either breathing in virus in aerosol from a contaminated person breathing out, coughing etc. Having a clean nose wont prevent you breathing that air into your trachea or lungs. Secondly surface borne contamination that gets onto the hands and then touching the face with the hands - again having a clean nose and mouth doesn't help.

And that's why the focus, quite rightly is, social distancing and catch it, bill it, kill it to reduce the likelihood of infection for the former route. And hand washing/avoiding touching the face for the latter.

Why do you just make up stuff Spud? Please can you keep your ill-informed and bizarre ideas to yourself. In normal circumstances this is just irritating, but under the current circumstances rumours that take hold and act against reducing infection can literally result in people dying.

I've seen a spoof e-mail with that kind of rumour. If you read my original idea, I said that once exposed to the virus one might be able to limit its proliferation in the upper respiratory tract through oral and nasal hygiene. Yes, if you breathe it straight into your trachea it might take hold more quickly, but I'm just adding to the advice about not touching the face, washing hands, social distancing etc.
If you don't like someone trying to help, that's your problem.

[ProfessorDavey]

If you read my original idea, I said that once exposed to the virus one might be able to limit its proliferation in the upper respiratory tract through oral and nasal hygiene.

And how exactly would that work given that viruses proliferation inside our cells?!? The only way you can stop the virus proliferating in the upper respiratory tract through oral and nasal hygiene would be to kill the infected cells, and that's what our immune systems will be doing anyhow.

You clearly know nothing about how viruses function and how viral infections work

Yes, if you breathe it straight into your trachea it might take hold more quickly, but I'm just adding to the advice about not touching the face, washing hands, social distancing etc.

But by spouting scientifically illiterate nonsense you aren't adding to the sensible advice based on science - rather you are distracting from it.

If you don't like someone trying to help, that's your problem.

But you aren't helping Spud, that's the point. If you want to help (and I'm sure you do) the best thing you can do is to shut up about your ill-informed nonsense.

[SteveH]

Pardon me if I sound a bit smug, but I've been vindicated twice over by today's 'Grauniad'.
Firstly, I said a day or two ago on this thread that if a vaccine was developed, the testing would hopefully be reduced so that it could be made available as soon as possible, testing of new drugs generally being excessive, in the opinion of some experts. That opinion was pooh-poohed by another member, but it transpires that that is exactly what is likely to happen: the testing will be "accelerated" (and it is possible that it will be available much sooner that the 12-18 months originally estimated).
Secondly, I said that aiming for herd immunity was a ridiculous idea, as it could only be achieved at the cost of hundreds of thousands of deaths, in the absense of a vaccine, which would be an abject failure. Nevertheless, it appeared that that was the aim, but now the government has done a reverse ferret, and announced that the official policy is suppression, not herd immunity.

[Harrowby Hall]

A question or two to those who so virulently oppose the PM and seem to consider everything that he, plus the Science, Medical and Finance peoplesay as worthless: who, do you suppose, would in the Conservative Party make abetter job of it? Or do you think there is someone in the Labour Party? Are you thinking of Jeremy Corbyn? I sincerely hope not. Or what about Salmond? The thought of him in charge of a country makes me shudder.

I have watched a couple of the early evening Downing Street press briefings. To me they are all about Alexander Johnson. He stands at a lectern flanked by two medical/scientific experts. Every question that is asked he answers himself - irrespective of whether he has any specialist knowledge at all. Only when he has finished his extended peroration does he hand over to his flanking academic/medic.

[Nearly Sane]

Pardon me if I sound a bit smug, but I've been vindicated twice over by today's 'Grauniad'.
Firstly, I said a day or two ago on this thread that if a vaccine was developed, the testing would hopefully be reduced so that it could be made available as soon as possible, testing of new drugs generally being excessive, in the opinion of some experts. That opinion was pooh-poohed by another member, but it transpires that that is exactly what is likely to happen: the testing will be "accelerated" (and it is possible that it will be available much sooner that the 12-18 months originally estimated).
Secondly, I said that aiming for herd immunity was a ridiculous idea, as it could only be achieved at the cost of hundreds of thousands of deaths, in the absense of a vaccine, which would be an abject failure. Nevertheless, it appeared that that was the aim, but now the government has done a reverse ferret, and announced that the official policy is suppression, not herd immunity.

I think you are referring to me. I didn't 'pooh pooh'that it might be dine quicker here but rather your suggestion that all medical testing was unnecessarily overlong.

[SteveH]

I think you are referring to me. I didn't 'pooh pooh'that it might be dine quicker here but rather your suggestion that all medical testing was unnecessarily overlong.

I was thinking of LR, actually, though I now recall that you did say something.

[Roses]

If the testing isn't thorough enough it could cause more problems than the one it is meant to solve.