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Nearly Sane · « **Reply #750 on:** March 21, 2020, 12:26:20 PM »

Quote from: Walter on March 21, 2020, 12:05:15 PM

Hi Saney
Briefly , what is John Wankstain actually saying , cos I can't open it ?

If you please !

That his church shouldn't have cancelled services, and people should go, take the risk and trust in Jesus.

jakswan · « **Reply #751 on:** March 21, 2020, 12:30:46 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 20, 2020, 04:19:50 PM

And are they saying it can be beaten 12 weeks? Or that there has been sufficient money put into the NHS? Or that the planning for this has been sufficient?

Did Boris say it would be beaten in 12 weeks?

Udayana · « **Reply #752 on:** March 21, 2020, 12:31:23 PM »

Quote from: Harrowby Hall on March 21, 2020, 06:57:00 AM

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1: Are we over-reacting?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

...

We predict conditions according to estimates that are based on known but incomplete data - that is all that is possible. As more data is gathered we can refine those estimates and predictions. And when it's over we can work on new estimates so that the next time we do better.

Walter · « **Reply #753 on:** March 21, 2020, 12:31:54 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 21, 2020, 12:26:20 PM

That his church shouldn't have cancelled services, and people should go, take the risk and trust in Jesus.

thanks Saney

Would that be the same Jesus who could have prevented it in the first place then?
" I'm going to slap you silly until you you love me properly "

Jesus

jeremyp · « **Reply #754 on:** March 21, 2020, 01:03:23 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 20, 2020, 07:42:54 PM

Which says nothing like your suggestion

It implies my suggestion.

What's wrong with you? You normally have no problem with reading things into other people's posts - correctly or not?

jeremyp · « **Reply #755 on:** March 21, 2020, 01:14:22 PM »

Quote from: ippy on March 21, 2020, 11:24:03 AM

Couldn't help noticing how the 'Federal Europe' is dealing with this pandemic as one and closing various boarders interesting.

What was it, ever closer union?

Just an observation.

ippy.

Oh look, the EU is handing out money to help cushion the shock. We could have our slice of that...

... oh, wait.

jeremyp · « **Reply #756 on:** March 21, 2020, 01:17:39 PM »

Quote from: wigginhall on March 21, 2020, 12:05:53 PM

Yes, aren't Italians closing off whole towns? Too subtle for Brexiters.

With their travel restrictions, they have basically put a border around every single household. Ippy must be questioning the viability of countries.

jeremyp · « **Reply #757 on:** March 21, 2020, 01:22:17 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 21, 2020, 12:26:20 PM

That his church shouldn't have cancelled services, and people should go, take the risk and trust in Jesus.

If people really believed that, churches would not have lightning conductors...

... or roofs.

jeremyp · « **Reply #758 on:** March 21, 2020, 01:23:32 PM »

Quote from: jakswan on March 21, 2020, 12:30:46 PM

Did Boris say it would be beaten in 12 weeks?

If it isn't, we're all fucked.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #759 on:** March 21, 2020, 01:25:34 PM »

Quote from: jakswan on March 21, 2020, 12:30:46 PM

Did Boris say it would be beaten in 12 weeks?

Given you haven't mentioned the other two points, should I think that you agree with them?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/boris-johnson-uk-can-turn-tide-of-coronavirus-in-12-weeks

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #760 on:** March 21, 2020, 01:29:05 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on March 21, 2020, 01:22:17 PM

If people really believed that, churches would not have lightning conductors...

... or roofs.

With Mason there is a chance he might actually agree with that.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #761 on:** March 21, 2020, 01:33:44 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on March 21, 2020, 01:23:32 PM

If it isn't, we're all fucked.

The problem is that even if Johnson were talking confidently to keep morale up, he is going to struggle to be believed because he's a known liar and his demeanour in this time has been lightweight.

Finding Sunak impressive though, and one thing Johnson could learn here is less busking.

jeremyp · « **Reply #762 on:** March 21, 2020, 01:50:15 PM »

My thoughts on the statistics:

In the UK, over the last three days we have confirmed 680, 647 and 706 new cases. Compared to previous days, this is something of a flat line. Unfortunately, we are only testing people who have been admitted to hospital.

In total, we have tested 66,967 people of whom 3,983 or about 6% were positive. If we extrapolate that to the population in general, that means that nearly four million of us already have the virus. It's a dangerous extrapolation, of course, because hospital admissions would be expected to have a bias in favour of people who have coronavirus but I think it is the right order of magnitude.

I think the government needs to do more testing. At the very least, it needs to do some proper randomised testing to get a confident picture of how many people actually have the virus and I think it needs to track down and test people who have had contact with confirmed cases.

jeremyp · « **Reply #763 on:** March 21, 2020, 02:10:08 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 21, 2020, 01:33:44 PM

The problem is that even if Johnson were talking confidently to keep morale up, he is going to struggle to be believed because he's a known liar and his demeanour in this time has been lightweight.

Finding Sunak impressive though, and one thing Johnson could learn here is less busking.

That's not the problem. The problem is that, if we don't get back to some semblance of normality within three months, we are all fucked.

OK, it is a problem: Boris Johnson does not have the necessary qualities to lead us in this crisis. A majority of the population won't believe what he says simply because he is Boris Johnson. I'm not in that camp, but I do believe he is completely untrustworthy, lazy and out only for his own gain. I do not think he is stupid: if he applied himself properly to the issue and had everybody's interests at heart, he would do a good job.

As some light relief, he's not as bad as this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIwMCGJspmc

I don't think even Boris would respond in that way to a softball question like that. Here's how Trump should have responded:

https://youtu.be/TIwMCGJspmc?t=178

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #764 on:** March 21, 2020, 02:26:59 PM »

Yes, I will agree that Johnson is better than Trump. And I don't think Johnson is at all stupid. He's been 'completely untrustworthy, lazy and out only for his own gain' throughout his life and that comes across badly now.

Many years ago, I met him a few times. He was obviously clever but was completely unprincipled. Lied then, was utterly sexist and racist, and he hasn't changed.

jakswan · « **Reply #765 on:** March 21, 2020, 02:35:30 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 21, 2020, 01:25:34 PM

Given you haven't mentioned the other two points, should I think that you agree with them?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/boris-johnson-uk-can-turn-tide-of-coronavirus-in-12-weeks

So he didn't say it could be beaten in 12 weeks?

Roses · « **Reply #766 on:** March 21, 2020, 02:35:57 PM »

It would be very hard for anyone to be as bad as Trump, however Boris doesn't inspire any confidence in his ability to steer the UK through the crisis we now find ourselves in.

SteveH · « **Reply #767 on:** March 21, 2020, 02:41:49 PM »

Quote from: ippy on March 21, 2020, 11:24:03 AM

Couldn't help noticing how the 'Federal Europe' is dealing with this pandemic as one and closing various boarders interesting.

What was it, ever closer union?

Just an observation.

ippy.

Just a very stupid observastion: these asre exceptional times.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #768 on:** March 21, 2020, 02:48:36 PM »

Quote from: jakswan on March 21, 2020, 02:35:30 PM

So he didn't say it could be beaten in 12 weeks?

Turning the tide is surely a claim to beat it? And again, should I take it that your ignoring the other 2 points mean you agree he was lying about those?

wigginhall · « **Reply #769 on:** March 21, 2020, 03:21:15 PM »

I thought turning the tide meant that the upward curve in cases/deaths would start to flatten. There are various graphs online, often by John Hopkins Uni. I think the UK trajectory is like Italy, not good at the moment, but repression should flatten it.

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #770 on:** March 21, 2020, 04:33:49 PM »

An interesting and depressing read:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/10-days-that-changed-britains-coronavirus-approach?

Udayana · « **Reply #771 on:** March 21, 2020, 04:36:34 PM »

Ah, TV see you beat me to it

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/10-days-that-changed-britains-coronavirus-approach

This is interesting on whats been going on behind the scenes in reaching decisions.

I find it quite concerning as there are other actions that we should be putting into place now - to cope if the public actually does manage to lock down enough to avoid an NHS crash - and if they don't. We, the public, are still getting waffle and woolly statements instead of precise information and clear cut instructions at the daily updates.

SteveH · « **Reply #772 on:** March 21, 2020, 05:13:30 PM »

Is it time for a coalition government?

Roses · « **Reply #773 on:** March 21, 2020, 05:26:25 PM »

Quote from: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne on March 21, 2020, 05:13:30 PM

Is it time for a coalition government?

You could well be right.

Roses · « **Reply #774 on:** March 21, 2020, 06:23:57 PM »

Our council has just sent out a notice stating all garden waste collections have been suspended until further notice, they start in March and finish in December. We have forked out for this year's collection and have only had one so far! I would think gardening is an activity many people will be doing to relieve the boredom of being in lockdown.

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