Author Topic: Coronavirus (Read 247024 times)

Gordon · « **Reply #875 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:34:39 PM »

I watched Nicola Sturgeon's broadcast and she seemed clear that enforcement would involves fines. I missed part of Johnson's broadcast - did he mention fines?

Gordon · « **Reply #876 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:43:24 PM »

The published guidance.

https://tinyurl.com/rwp9zhu

SteveH · « **Reply #877 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:23:09 PM »

Bloody hell! Draconian, or what?
Has anyone on this forum got or had Covid-19, or know anyone who has? I don't: there doesn't seem to be significant absence at work, and certainly no-one's off sick in my bit.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #878 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:29:03 PM »

Quote from: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne on March 23, 2020, 10:23:09 PM

Bloody hell! Draconian, or what?
Has anyone on this forum got or had Covid-19, or know anyone who has? I don't: there doesn't seem to be significant absence at work, and certainly no-one's off sick in my bit.

And your expertise is?

SteveH · « **Reply #879 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:36:04 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2020, 10:29:03 PM

And your expertise is?

What the hell's that supposed to mean? What have I said that suggests I'm any kind of expert? You are trying to pick an asrgument just for the hell of it. Again.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #880 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:47:02 PM »

Quote from: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne on March 23, 2020, 10:36:04 PM

What the hell's that supposed to mean? What have I said that suggests I'm any kind of expert? You are trying to pick an asrgument just for the hell of it. Again.

If you call something Draconian then you are making a claim. Don't make a claim if you aren't willing to back that up. What is your expertise in calling the actions Draconian?

SteveH · « **Reply #881 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:52:24 PM »

Don't be silly.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #882 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:55:22 PM »

Quote from: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne on March 23, 2020, 10:52:24 PM

Don't be silly.

can you illustrate what is silly? Other than empty tedious assertion?

wigginhall · « **Reply #883 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:55:56 PM »

It's draconian because of exponential growth. This can run out of control, leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths, and people dying in corridors. Check out the maths.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #884 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:59:10 PM »

Quote from: wigginhall on March 23, 2020, 10:55:56 PM

It's draconian because of exponential growth. This can run out of control, leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths, and people dying in corridors. Check out the maths.

SteveH doesn't care. He knows what the problem is and thinks the decision is wrong - because well it's SteveH stating his opinion

SteveH · « **Reply #885 on:** March 23, 2020, 11:00:30 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2020, 10:55:22 PM

can you illustrate what is silly? Other than empty tedious assertion?

"Draconian" means, of laws and regulations, "very severe". These regulations are therefore draconian. It doesn't necessarily mean "excessively severe" - I've just checked.

SteveH · « **Reply #886 on:** March 23, 2020, 11:02:10 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2020, 10:59:10 PM

SteveH doesn't care. He knows what the problem is and thinks the decision is wrong - because well it's SteveH stating his opinion

Typical NS bollocks. I did not say the regulations were wrong. Now go away - you're boring me.

ProfessorDavey · « **Reply #887 on:** March 23, 2020, 11:08:58 PM »

Quote from: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne on March 23, 2020, 10:23:09 PM

Bloody hell! Draconian, or what?

Yes, but sadly necessary.

Quote from: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne on March 23, 2020, 10:23:09 PM

Has anyone on this forum got or had Covid-19, or know anyone who has? I don't: there doesn't seem to be significant absence at work, and certainly no-one's off sick in my bit.

Yes I do - I know a few people confirmed as having covid-19, plus plenty more who have had symptoms clearly consistent with the infection but who aren't being tested, but simply told to self isolate.

I also have colleagues in the NHS who are genuinely terrified at how hospitals will cope as the numbers of infections, symptoms requiring hospitalisation and ultimately deaths increase. Our trajectory is currently exactly the same as Italy, we are just 14 days behind.

Steve - you are a grown man - take some responsibility, stay home and follow the guidance. Don't be the person who's infection prior to developing symptoms results in 400 further infections in just a couple of weeks and (yes read it several times) results in perhaps 4 deaths, based on a conservative 1% death rate.

SteveH · « **Reply #888 on:** March 23, 2020, 11:12:16 PM »

Quote from: ProfessorDavey on March 23, 2020, 11:08:58 PM

Steve - you are a grown man - take some responsibility, stay home and follow the guidance. Don't be the person who's infection prior to developing symptoms results in 400 further infections in just a couple of weeks and (yes read it several times) results in perhaps 4 deaths, based on a conservative 1% death rate.

I am doing. Why do you assume I'm not?

ad_orientem · « **Reply #889 on:** March 23, 2020, 11:14:02 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2020, 10:47:02 PM

If you call something Draconian then you are making a claim. Don't make a claim if you aren't willing to back that up. What is your expertise in calling the actions Draconian?

You don't have to have expertise to have an opinion. Personally, I think this is probably the right decision but then I'm no expert, that's just my opinion.

Gordon · « **Reply #890 on:** March 23, 2020, 11:14:45 PM »

Quote from: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne on March 23, 2020, 10:23:09 PM

Bloody hell! Draconian, or what?
Has anyone on this forum got or had Covid-19, or know anyone who has? I don't: there doesn't seem to be significant absence at work, and certainly no-one's off sick in my bit.

Yes - my younger daughter had it, having tested positive for it having first gone to her GP thinking her fever indicated a recurrence of tonsillitis was on the way. She has now recovered after 10 days, and she felt lousy for most of that (she's a fit 30 year old). She has her own flat, so staying isolated wasn't a problem, but we had to leave supplies at her door.

Even for someone healthy like her it was unpleasant, so for anyone more frail or with other health problems I can see why these measures are needed to slow the transmission.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #891 on:** March 24, 2020, 02:56:54 AM »

Quote from: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne on March 23, 2020, 11:02:10 PM

Typical NS bollocks. I did not say the regulations were wrong. Now go away - you're boring me.

You often get bored when you are unable to justify your comments.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #892 on:** March 24, 2020, 02:58:32 AM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on March 23, 2020, 11:14:02 PM

You don't have to have expertise to have an opinion. Personally, I think this is probably the right decision but then I'm no expert, that's just my opinion.

You do indeed not need any expertise to have opinion.

ad_orientem · « **Reply #893 on:** March 24, 2020, 05:03:23 AM »

One thing I don't understand is the difference between the advice given by the WHO, which is to take stringent measures to tackle the virus and also to test, test, test; and the advice given by some national health agencies. In Sweden they still haven't advised the government to close pubs and bars or schools, and public gatherings are only limited to 500 people. As for testing, same here in Finland as well, they've set the bar too high. Have they fallen for that herd immunity stuff? People are going to die!

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #894 on:** March 24, 2020, 07:51:49 AM »

Quote from: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne on March 23, 2020, 11:00:30 PM

"Draconian" means, of laws and regulations, "very severe". These regulations are therefore draconian. It doesn't necessarily mean "excessively severe" - I've just checked.

And yet it's main meaning is excessively severe

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/draconian

There is an apocryphal story that the Athenians were so happy with the drop in crime under Draco that when he arrived at the theatre they showed their appreciation in the traditional mannerby throwing their cloaks at him but that they threw so many he suffocated and died.

SteveH · « **Reply #895 on:** March 24, 2020, 08:04:31 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 24, 2020, 02:56:54 AM

You often get bored when you are unable to justify your comments.

But I have justified them: I pointed out that "draconian" means "of laws and regulations, very severe". It does not necessarily mean excessively severe. It can hardly be argued that these regulations are not draconian, but they probably need to be. Your original comment which started this ridiculous spat was based on a misunderstanding of Can we now drop it?

Roses · « **Reply #896 on:** March 24, 2020, 08:22:19 AM »

Quote from: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne on March 23, 2020, 10:23:09 PM

Bloody hell! Draconian, or what?
Has anyone on this forum got or had Covid-19, or know anyone who has? I don't: there doesn't seem to be significant absence at work, and certainly no-one's off sick in my bit.

One of your dafter statements, if that is possible!

This virus is a pandemic and will kill many people before it is through, surely it is far better to take precautions to try to avoid getting it, however stringent. You can spend your time at home making up even crazier user names.

Gordon · « **Reply #897 on:** March 24, 2020, 08:25:27 AM »

Further official info on business closures.

https://tinyurl.com/ureualq

SteveH · « **Reply #898 on:** March 24, 2020, 08:49:54 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on March 24, 2020, 08:22:19 AM

One of your dafter statements, if that is possible! This virus is a pandemic and will kill many people before it is through, surely it is far better to take precautions to try to avoid getting it, however stringent. You can spend your time at home making up even crazier user names.

I didn't suggest otherwise. I just asked, out of idle curiosity, if anyone had had it or knew anyone who had. Like NS, you should read what people have actually posted before replying.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #899 on:** March 24, 2020, 09:12:47 AM »

Quote from: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne on March 24, 2020, 08:49:54 AM

I didn't suggest otherwise. I just asked, out of idle curiosity, if anyone had had it or knew anyone who had. Like NS, you should read what people have actually posted before replying.
[/quote And maybe you need to be clearer since Prof D also read your statement that way. The use of Draconian which has as its main meaning excessively severe, and the apparent playing down of the spread of the virus created a reasonable impression that you were playing down the seriousness.

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Author Topic: Coronavirus (Read 247024 times)