Coronavirus

[jeremyp]

Cummings now self isolating:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/dominic-cummings-self-isolating-after-experiencing-coronavirus_uk_5e7e2c51c5b6cb9dc19f4d75?ncid=fcbklnkukhpmg00000008&fbclid=IwAR0V-1HfoTfJ6TbkIYhkfr17LygdQ3tLaWq8ykGejfPyPDEiX_neSeBOoGE

I can't trust myself to type anything further.

I was going to write something, but, on reflection, it  would be a bit mean spirited.

[jeremyp]

Talking of being mean spirited, I get the impression that some people in positions of authority are somewhat gleeful about their new powers to suck all the joy out of our lives.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52090441

There is no possible reason for banning the sale of Easter eggs.

[Roses]

Waiting in a social distancing line this morning on the other side of the shopping centre to be allowed into Tesco was definitely NOT my idea of fun to put it mildly. The store isn't opening until 8am now. You can't get your groceries delivered unless you are disabled in some way. Fortunately Tesco was well stocked, they even had some teeny, tiny bottles of hand gel, but they were a £1 each,  there were plenty of loo rolls. I see petrol has tumbled down in price £1-03.99 per litre. It  was £1-15.99 when I filled up last week, I wish I had waited!

[jeremyp]

Waiting in a social distancing line this morning on the other side of the shopping centre to be allowed into Tesco was definitely NOT my idea of fun to put it mildly.

According to the people I know who have had COVID 19, that's no fun either.

[Roses]

According to the people I know who have had COVID 19, that's no fun either.

Of course we must social distance, I am not objecting to the fact we have to do it, I was just saying it isn't my favourite way of doing my shopping, especially as there was a very cool breeze today. But I was grateful it wasn't raining.

[Aruntraveller]

You can't get your groceries delivered unless you are disabled in some way.

Don't quite know how I managed it but clicked on Sainsbury's site this morning and got a delivery slot tomorrow.

Happy chappy. Its the little things!

[Roses]

Don't quite know how I managed it but clicked on Sainsbury's site this morning and got a delivery slot tomorrow.

Happy chappy. Its the little things!

Lucky you. Our vicar daughter always had Tesco deliver her weekly order, but they have stopped doing so now as she isn't in need.

[ippy]

I don't want to derail this thread any further...but since this IS a  Religion board I thought I should post some relevant aspects about religion on this thread.

We have an animal nature in us that is primarily selfish and self preservative.  But as we humans have evolved, our social  and universal aspects have taken precedence over our personal self preservation.   This is the way we have evolved. I consider this a spiritual growth...an inner development.

Religion has been at the fore front to help us in this growth and to ensure that we develop this selfless part of our nature more and more and reduce our selfish nature. Christian missionaries are examples of this selfless service.

Without religion we would not have today evolved to a stage where common people are able to selflessly put themselves at risk just to save some elderly people.  We have to admire and emulate such people certainly....but I am talking about recognizing the spiritual development that has taken place in society over the centuries, that has made this situation possible.

https://tsriramrao.wordpress.com/2017/02/19/religions-have-suceeded/

Cheers.

Sriram

I look forward to future exchanges with your good self after you've brought yourself up to date, and understanding it, with the latest info about evolution but until then I'll stick with the last four lines of my previous post to you directly, it's the arrogance of your assertions about religion, back to the last word of my previous post.

Stuff your link where the sun doesn't shine!!

ippy

[Sriram]

Your getting angry doesn't change anything ippy! 

[ippy]

Your getting angry doesn't change anything ippy! 

You are right Sriram, it doesn't change anything!

ippy.

[ad_orientem]

I still don't for the life of me understand why here in Finland we are only testing at most about 1,500 a day. The evidence shows that the best way to slow the spread of the virus is test, test, test then follow up. We're not a poor country, why can't we test all suspected cases? I dispair and think the people making the decisions know fuck all.

[Walter]

https://youtu.be/pvEWOBAzHf4

do as you're told

[Nearly Sane]

From the BBC live feed


'Tributes for 108-year-old woman who died of coronavirus in UK

Tributes have been paid to a 108-year-old woman who lived through the Spanish flu pandemic but has died after contracting coronavirus.

Hilda Churchill died at Kenyon Lodge care home in Salford, Greater Manchester, on Saturday, one day before her 109th birthday.

Her grandson Will Hadcroft said the "kind-hearted matriarch of the family" would be "greatly missed".

She had four children, 11 grandchildren, 12 great-grandchildren and three great-great-grandchildren

Ms Churchill's one-year-old sister was one of 50 million people killed by the Spanish flu from 1918 to 1920.'

[Nearly Sane]

And also from the BBC live feed - feckin hell!


'More than 47 million Americans could lose their jobs in the next three months, pushing the US unemployment rate above 32%.

That’s according to a recent analysis by the Federal Reserve, which describes it as a “back-of-the-envelope” calculation.

However, the heavy economic cost is already clear, with a record 3.28 million Americans filing for unemployment last week.

Those numbers are expected to rise. In just one example, US department store Macy’s on Monday, said it had placed most of its 130,000 workers on unpaid leave, citing the loss of “the majority of our sales”. It said it would continue to pay for staff health insurance until the end of May.'

[jeremyp]

And also from the BBC live feed - feckin hell!


'More than 47 million Americans could lose their jobs in the next three months, pushing the US unemployment rate above 32%.

That’s according to a recent analysis by the Federal Reserve, which describes it as a “back-of-the-envelope” calculation.

However, the heavy economic cost is already clear, with a record 3.28 million Americans filing for unemployment last week.

Those numbers are expected to rise. In just one example, US department store Macy’s on Monday, said it had placed most of its 130,000 workers on unpaid leave, citing the loss of “the majority of our sales”. It said it would continue to pay for staff health insurance until the end of May.'

That would be the equivalent of about nine million in Britain. It doesn’t seem beyond the bounds of possibility.

[Nearly Sane]

Was talking to my mother and she mentioned that she didn't have any playing cards so I went to Amazon to order some. I was offered free delivery for Friday to Tuesday, £49.99 for 2 day delivery, and £99.99 for one day delivery.

[Nearly Sane]

And more from the BBC feed

'Las Vegas car park turned into 'homeless shelter'

People have criticised Las Vegas authorities for turning a car park into an outdoor sleeping area for homeless people.

Photos of people lying on the ground in painted white boxes - one person per space - have gone viral on social media, with some users questioning why the homeless people weren't put up in the city's hotels, which have been closed.

But officials have praised the makeshift sleeping area. Lisa Morris Hibbler, chief community services officer for the city of Las Vegas, told local CBS-affiliate 8 News Now that the boxes were "spaced so that they're social distancing".

According to US media, the area was set up as a last-minute makeshift area for the city's homeless community after someone in one of the main shelters tested positive for coronavirus.

Social embed from twitter

New York Post

✔@nypost

Las Vegas parking lot turned into homeless shelter during coronavirus crisis https://trib.al/hNzyVBH '

[Nearly Sane]

I posted on Facebook about the delivery gouging prices of Amazon and a friend offered to drop off a pack of cards for my mother. And when I said that it was ok but they were ordered  but it was a very kind offer, she replied that being kind was not just for quarantine. And I agree, we should look when we get by this to do more for those who are vulnerable, by the govt, by the private sector and by us. The whatsapp groups who are looking after people, the remote virtual chats. We need to make sure that people can access the internet and have support to do so. The Labour policy of free internet for all looks like a winner to me but that's only the start.

[SusanDoris]

I posted on Facebook about the delivery gouging prices of Amazon and a friend offered to drop off a pack of cards for my mother. And when I said that it was ok but they were ordered  but it was a very kind offer, she replied that being kind was not just for quarantine. And I agree, we should look when we get by this to do more for those who are vulnerable, by the govt, by the private sector and by us. The whatsapp groups who are looking after people, the remote virtual chats. We need to make sure that people can access the internet and have support to do so. The Labour policy of free internet for all looks like a winner to me but that's only the start.

Good idea, but certainly would not be taken up by many older people for whom the worry of having to learn how to use it would be far more stressful.

I have been thinking about plaing cards and intend to ring the RNIB to see if there is a set I could use. I've done a quick search, but wonder whether the size of the cards with a sufficiently large number might be too big to hold!

[Harrowby Hall]

Good idea, but certainly would not be taken up by many older people for whom the worry of having to learn how to use it would be far more stressful.

Do you really believe this, SD?

Home computing has been around since the 1980s and general internet use since the 1990s. People now in their eighties have been using IT for more than 30 years. I think that your view might be seen by many as rather patronising. I know that you are in this age bracket and I'm not much younger than you ... and we both cope.

[Roses]

Most of the older people I know are familiar with computers including those in their 80s and some in their 90s.

[ProfessorDavey]

Most of the older people I know are familiar with computers including those in their 80s and some in their 90s.

Some are but there are plenty who aren't - such as my mother-in-law (89) who never got to grips with a traditional mobile phone let alone a computer.

But the point is that regardless of the fact that some (maybe most) older people are silver surfer, we need to take care of those that aren't, effectively not disadvantaging or disenfranchising them for not being computer literate.

[Roses]

The first virus death has been reported in my home island of Guernsey, they were in their 80s.

[SusanDoris]

I heard on the news earlier today that a 108-year old, one day before hher 109th birthday, has died of the virus.  What a terrible way to go.

I have walked outside today - nearly 25 minutes up and down the part of the Close I live in that is clear and spacious. One 'lap' is about 165 steps and I did it 8 times .

[Nearly Sane]

Some are but there are plenty who aren't - such as my mother-in-law (89) who never got to grips with a traditional mobile phone let alone a computer.
But the point is that regardless of the fact that some (maybe most) older people are silver surfer, we need to take care of those that aren't, effectively not disadvantaging or disenfranchising them for not being computer literate.

In part my original comment on this was triggered by my mother having similar problems with a mobile, and is the same age 89. I think there are ways that we could get round that in future by better planning and use of devices. I think a lot of effort is put in to making things simpler for those already computer literate,and for those starting out. Even though I have been working with and on computers for nearly 40 years, there is still a quiet dread when I need to get or am given a new operating system.


And I agree it's more about how we can organise society to make the support of all people easier. The reaction that we have had show the limits of support when the normal rules for society are broken, and for many that support is insufficient at normal times. I don't see the idea of Not Just During Quarantine as restricted to about technology  though that has a part, or about how we deal with extreme situations, rather it's about a society that through the strength of its links and support is more robust when extremes come along.