Coronavirus

[SteveH]

Beginning to think some of the social distancing measures are getting a bit OTT.
I've just got back from my local giant Tesco supermarket. Entrance and exit have been separated (fair enough), and to get into the main area you have to negotiate a ridiculous maze through the newspapers and magazines area, then get your trolly handle disinfected. They've got a one-way system in force, so you often have to go down one aisle and up another to get to the product you want. Then you have to wait until you're called forward by an assistant to a vacant checkout. There was also an enormously long queue waiting to get in by the time I left, though I was early enough to avoid that.
I'm starting to think that some of it is more about advertising what a socially responsible company they are than really necessary restrictions, but maybe I'm being too cynical. I uttered a few "oh, for fuck's sake"s under my breath.

[SteveH]

that's terrible, everyone knows middle class people can't drink tap water !

Bottled water is the biggest scam and rip-off around.

[Nearly Sane]

Arundhati Roy on Covid: "We can choose to walk through it, dragging the carcasses of our prejudice&hatred, our avarice, our data banks and dead ideas, our dead rivers and smoky skies behind us. Or we can walk through lightly,ready to imagine another world"

[Nearly Sane]

This covers a lot of my confusion with the govt 'strategy'



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/03/matt-hancock-government-policy-herd-immunity-community-surveillance-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR11gs1U4hdIcr4V2NuBu7fl2oV9bMS4SLdTD6XgisTafwUtXqs8DEZ2kFw

[Nearly Sane]

Beginning to think some of the social distancing measures are getting a bit OTT.
I've just got back from my local giant Tesco supermarket. Entrance and exit have been separated (fair enough), and to get into the main area you have to negotiate a ridiculous maze through the newspapers and magazines area, then get your trolly handle disinfected.....

The problem is without that people seem unwilling or unable to maintain social distancing. I have a reasonable sized Aldi that I use and while it's 1 in, 1 out, there is a path through the store, in part because of the layout, so even if you are being careful,it's impossible to see round corners or avoid getting closer than 2m.

The queue outside doesn't have anything marked for distance so you get to see what people think is 2m, or rather what they are willing to accept as a distance to stand apart. Given that I am only 3 centimetres off of 2m tall, I am well aware of the distance.
In addition to that there are also the store staff, our new key workers, to consider so I think your Tesco's has it about right.

[Roses]

Social distancing is very important, people who don't do it are idiots.

[Walter]

saney

you are approximately a lot taller than me 

[ekim]

The supermarket I went to yesterday had two meter marks around the car park and a one in one out process.  It took me 15 minutes to shop and 45 minutes to queue.  I'm glad it wasn't raining.  It would be more like a death march then.

[jeremyp]

The problem is without that people seem unwilling or unable to maintain social distancing. I have a reasonable sized Aldi that I use and while it's 1 in, 1 out, there is a path through the store, in part because of the layout, so even if you are being careful,it's impossible to see round corners or avoid getting closer than 2m.

The queue outside doesn't have anything marked for distance so you get to see what people think is 2m, or rather what they are willing to accept as a distance to stand apart. Given that I am only 3 centimetres off of 2m tall, I am well aware of the distance.
In addition to that there are also the store staff, our new key workers, to consider so I think your Tesco's has it about right.

I was in Sainsbury’s today. It was pretty much impossible to maintain two meters distancing because as soon as somebody stopped in an aisle, it would be effectively blocked.

I wouldn’t fret too much about it. It’s not like you’re definitely going to catch coronavirus if you get within two meters of somebody who likely doesn’t have it.

[Robbie]

I believe Tesco are right to impose such measures Hercules. Better safe than sorry. It doesn't seem to have inconvenienced you too much, glad you got your shopping.

Husband cooked brunch and is planning to do a barbecue for just me and him tonight for my 60th.That sure is novel :-).

It sure is quiet round here as if the whole area is resting.

[Nearly Sane]

I believe Tesco are right to impose such measures Hercules. Better safe than sorry. It doesn't seem to have inconvenienced you too much, glad you got your shopping.

Husband cooked brunch and is planning to do a barbecue for just me and him tonight for my 60th.That sure is novel :-).

It sure is quiet round here as if the whole area is resting.

  Happy birthday!

[Nearly Sane]

People setting fire to 5G masts because that's what's behind Covid 19.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52164358?fbclid=IwAR0tqJdcNZwRoew8I8hx_W748tgmJ-u1qbboAppU0RjHVJKWpDvNIjK1JB0

[Roses]

People setting fire to 5G masts because that's what's behind Covid 19.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52164358?fbclid=IwAR0tqJdcNZwRoew8I8hx_W748tgmJ-u1qbboAppU0RjHVJKWpDvNIjK1JB0

People are barking mad!

[Walter]

People setting fire to 5G masts because that's what's behind Covid 19.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52164358?fbclid=IwAR0tqJdcNZwRoew8I8hx_W748tgmJ-u1qbboAppU0RjHVJKWpDvNIjK1JB0

did you know?

chocolate milk comes from brown cows 

[Roses]

did you know?

chocolate milk comes from brown cows 

Surely everyone knows that.

[Stranger]

People setting fire to 5G masts because that's what's behind Covid 19.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52164358?fbclid=IwAR0tqJdcNZwRoew8I8hx_W748tgmJ-u1qbboAppU0RjHVJKWpDvNIjK1JB0

Human stupidity really is infinite...

[Sriram]

A nice short video on the coronavirus...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRzddVgSyho

[Sriram]

But even he doesn't explain why the virus is exploding in some advanced countries and (fortunately) is not so virulent in most other relatively more crowded and poorer countries.   

[jeremyp]

But even he doesn't explain why the virus is exploding in some advanced countries and (fortunately) is not so virulent in most other relatively more crowded and poorer countries.

Only in advanced countries can they afford to do a lot of testing. Maybe in the poorest countries people are dying in droves, but the government simply doesn’t know about it.

[Walter]

But even he doesn't explain why the virus is exploding in some advanced countries and (fortunately) is not so virulent in most other relatively more crowded and poorer countries.

sri

do you have some thoughts on that you'd like to share with us?

[Sriram]

Only in advanced countries can they afford to do a lot of testing. Maybe in the poorest countries people are dying in droves, but the government simply doesn’t know about it.

That is the usual 'explanation' that advanced countries resort to....but it is nonsense.  If 5000 people die within a few weeks of similar symptoms, people will notice even in African countries and Bangladesh.  You have a very wrong impression about the communication and other facilities in most countries in today's world.

Under reporting could be to the extent of 10 or 20 %.... not 1000 %

There is obviously something that people haven't understood yet.

[SteveH]

That is the usual 'explanation' that advanced countries resort to....but it is nonsense.  If 5000 people die within a few weeks of similar symptoms, people will notice even in African countries and Bangladesh.  You have a very wrong impression about the communication and other facilities in most countries in today's world.

Under reporting could be to the extent of 10 or 20 %.... not 1000 %

There is obviously something that people haven't understood yet.

Conspiracy-theoretical nonsense.

[Walter]

sriram

There is obviously something that people haven't understood yet.

have you any idea what that might be?

[Roses]

My doctor brother-in-law has been asked to return to the NHS even though he gave up being a medic in the 80s to follow another career path. He is now in his 70s and thinks he has been out of action in that regard for far too long to be of any use. I thought the NHS was only asking the recently retired to return, not those who left so very long ago.

[jeremyp]

That is the usual 'explanation' that advanced countries resort to....but it is nonsense.

No it isn't.

We see it even in advanced countries. The number of cases you have is directly related to the quality of your testing. In the UK, for  example, the "confirmed cases" figure really  only tells us how many tests the NHS was able to do.

If 5000 people die within a few weeks of similar symptoms, people will notice even in African countries and Bangladesh.  You have a very wrong impression about the communication and other facilities in most countries in today's world.

Not necessarily. In Bangladesh something like 2,000 people die every day. 5,000 extra in a few weeks might go unnoticed. And  a lot of the people coronavirus kills were very ill anyway.

There is obviously something that people haven't understood yet.

Quite possibly.