Coronavirus

[jeremyp]

My doctor brother-in-law has been asked to return to the NHS even though he gave up being a medic in the 80s to follow another career path. He is now in his 70s and thinks he has been out of action in that regard for far too long to be of any use. I thought the NHS was only asking the recently retired to return, not those who left so very long ago.

He's also in a high risk group. He shouldn't be on the "front line" but there might be other admin things he can do.

[Roses]

He's also in a high risk group. He shouldn't be on the "front line" but there might be other admin things he can do.

He has health problems so I doubt he could do that either.

[Sriram]

No it isn't.

We see it even in advanced countries. The number of cases you have is directly related to the quality of your testing. In the UK, for  example, the "confirmed cases" figure really  only tells us how many tests the NHS was able to do.
Not necessarily. In Bangladesh something like 2,000 people die every day. 5,000 extra in a few weeks might go unnoticed. And  a lot of the people coronavirus kills were very ill anyway.
Quite possibly.

You must understand that there are about 150 to 200 countries on this planet where the virus is not exploding the way it is doing in about 15 countries. In many countries the number of cases are in the hundreds and even in the tens. The number of deaths in many of these countries are in the tens and even single digits.

'Explanations' such as under reporting and 'no one knows' are dismissive and simply wrong. 

I have no idea what the reason is.... but some theories such as temperature, temperate zone and malarial resistance have been advanced.

[Nearly Sane]

There are good guys and then there are bad guys


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52166185

[Walter]

There are good guys and then there are bad guys


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52166185

my response


a 5 letter word beginning with C  ends with S

you got it .........CRASS!

[Nearly Sane]

my response


a 5 letter word beginning with C  ends with S

you got it .........CRASS!

Complete and utter

[jeremyp]

You must understand that there are about 150 to 200 countries on this planet where the virus is not exploding the way it is doing in about 15 countries.

You must understand that "exploding" is dependent on a country actually recording cases and deaths.

'Explanations' such as under reporting and 'no one knows' are dismissive and simply wrong.

I have no idea what the reason is

So you are simply wrong?

.... but some theories such as temperature, temperate zone and malarial resistance have been advanced.

I would be sceptical about the malarial resistance one, but all the others could have some effect.

[jeremyp]

There are good guys and then there are bad guys


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52166185

Is £10,000 per month a lot? If there's 500 patients, that's £20 per patient.

[Nearly Sane]

Is £10,000 per month a lot? If there's 500 patients, that's £20 per patient.

Is a £10 call a lot to talk to your family if you can't afford it?

[jeremyp]

Is a £10 call a lot to talk to your family if you can't afford it?

Anything is a lot if you can't afford it.

However, you're talking about two different things. You are talking about a person being price gouged under the current system against a new system that hasn't been instituted yet where the patient is not charged at all. This £10,000 per month is what the hospital would have to pay to stop Irene Simpkin's 87-year-old mother from being charged £11.33 for a 16 minute phone call.

[Nearly Sane]

Anything is a lot if you can't afford it.

However, you're talking about two different things. You are talking about a person being price gouged under the current system against a new system that hasn't been instituted yet where the patient is not charged at all. This £10,000 per month is what the hospital would have to pay to stop Irene Simpkin's 87-year-old mother from being charged £11.33 for a 16 minute phone call.

The gouging was already there. The company continues it, they are as Walter puts it c---s

[jeremyp]

The gouging was already there.

Correct.

The company continues it, they are as Walter puts it c---s

Only if £10,000 per month is an unreasonable amount of money to provide the telephone service to the hospital. That's why I asked if it is a lot. I do not know how much such a service would cost the provider and neither do you.

As I said, if there are 500 patients, it's £20 per month per person. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

[Sriram]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/donald-trump-requested-pm-modi-to-release-us-order-of-hydroxychloroquine-stockpile-2206295?pfrom=home-bigstory

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The hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malaria drug will be released through the Strategic National Stockpile for treatment," Donald Trump said.

US President Donald Trump on Saturday said that he has requested Prime Minister Narendra Modi to supply hydroxychloroquine tablets that can be used to treat COVID-19 patients.

"After call today with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, India is giving serious consideration to releasing the hold it put on a US order for hydroxychloroquine," US President Trump announced at the White House Coronavirus task force briefing that he requested PM Narendra Modi for more Hydroxychloroquine tablets.

President Trump did not shy away from saying he too will take a tablet of hydroxychloroquine after announcing that he has requested Prime Minister during his telephonic conversation on Saturday to lift a hold on the US order of the medicine.
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[jeremyp]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/donald-trump-requested-pm-modi-to-release-us-order-of-hydroxychloroquine-stockpile-2206295?pfrom=home-bigstory

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The hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malaria drug will be released through the Strategic National Stockpile for treatment," Donald Trump said.

US President Donald Trump on Saturday said that he has requested Prime Minister Narendra Modi to supply hydroxychloroquine tablets that can be used to treat COVID-19 patients.

"After call today with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, India is giving serious consideration to releasing the hold it put on a US order for hydroxychloroquine," US President Trump announced at the White House Coronavirus task force briefing that he requested PM Narendra Modi for more Hydroxychloroquine tablets.

President Trump did not shy away from saying he too will take a tablet of hydroxychloroquine after announcing that he has requested Prime Minister during his telephonic conversation on Saturday to lift a hold on the US order of the medicine.
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Considering he is trying to stop 3M from shipping medical supplies to Canada, I'd say Trump has a lot of cheek.

By the way, there's no evidence that hydroxychloroquine is effective against COVID19.

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035

Outdoor exercise could be banned if people don't obey the rules. That would be a great shame and a disservice to those of us who do.

[SteveH]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035

Outdoor exercise could be banned if people don't obey the rules. That would be a great shame and a disservice to those of us who do.

I think we've all got the message that you're being socially responsible and observing all the restrictions now, so you don't need to keep mentioning it in passing anymore.

[Roses]

I think we've all got the message that you're being socially responsible and observing all the restrictions now, so you don't need to keep mentioning it in passing anymore.

I hope other like YOU are obeying the rules too?

[Roses]

I hope others like YOU are obeying the rules too?

[jeremyp]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035

Outdoor exercise could be banned if people don't obey the rules. That would be a great shame and a disservice to those of us who do.

That seems rather odd to me: punish everybody for the actions  of a few.

[Aruntraveller]

That seems rather odd to me: punish everybody for the actions  of a few.

Not sure how else you could enforce it. I mean it's not like we've been recruiting huge numbers of police over the last decade to pursue those resisting social distancing measures.

We went out for a walk yesterday and there were clearly non-family groups of people not observing social distancing on the  beach and seafront.

[SusanDoris]

My pack of playing cards arrived yesterday. They are the same size as normal ones but although the numbers and one heart, diamond, etc next to number are large and I can tell what they are when my nose is practically touching them, ) I tried laying out a Patience game this morning (on dark material), the ony way I'd be able to play is if I looked at each upturned card each time and remembered all the others. I might have another go - after all, there's certainly plenty of time to do that! - but I don't think I'm going to be strongly motivated to persevere.

Increased number of laps to 14 today and time to 35 minutes. *says me assuming I've already written somewhere that I'm doing a walkup and down in the close outside my front door*

[Roses]

That seems rather odd to me: punish everybody for the actions  of a few.

It might seem unfair, but how else can they do it?

[wigginhall]

Not sure how else you could enforce it. I mean it's not like we've been recruiting huge numbers of police over the last decade to pursue those resisting social distancing measures.

We went out for a walk yesterday and there were clearly non-family groups of people not observing social distancing on the  beach and seafront.

Just been for a walk, it was chaos really.  Joggers, cyclists, teenagers sauntering along, guys playing football.  I remonstrated with one girl, and she said, well, I'm not going to die.  Thanks.

[SteveH]

It might seem unfair, but how else can they do it?

By punishing the rule-breakers, obviously. Collective punishment was a favourite tactic of the Nazis.

[Udayana]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035

Outdoor exercise could be banned if people don't obey the rules. That would be a great shame and a disservice to those of us who do.

Yes, obviously the next logical step. Followed by banning all cakes, biscuits and pies.

It is all beginning to make sense now: Once the car industry has been turned to full scale "ventilator" production and the 5G system can start streaming netflix directly into our eye sockets we will be in the Matrix!