Coronavirus

[SweetPea]

Something amazing and courageous: while recovering from a hip operation and skin cancer, 99yr old Tom Moore is walking 100 laps of his driveway (which is fairly lengthy) before his 100th birthday at the end of the month to raise money for the NHS. Bravo!!

Enjoy:

https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1248516062364106753

[Roses]

Something amazing and courageous: while recovering from a hip operation and skin cancer, 99yr old Tom Moore is walking 100 laps of his driveway (which is fairly lengthy) before his 100th birthday at the end of the month to raise money for the NHS. Bravo!!

Enjoy:

https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1248516062364106753

Good for him, although hopefully he doesn't overdo it.

[ippy]

250,000 dead as a result of two nukes.

Wow.

Also your description of poverty in India.
" India had 73 million people living in extreme poverty which makes up 5.5% of its total population"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India

I suspect Sriram isn't one those 73 million, so he doesn't worry.
 

I note the Japanese have a museum dedicated to the info about the atomic bombs, there may be two of them one in each town bombed I don't know, but I did wonder if they have set up some similar museums acknowledging how they performed their works on the so called 'Burma Road' although it was in fact a railway, preferably museums set up next door to their atomic bomb museums, just to make things more even handed and more easily understood by all.

ippy.   

[Nearly Sane]

I note the Japanese have a museum dedicated to the info about the atomic bombs, there may be two of them one in each town bombed I don't know, but I did wonder if they have set up some similar museums acknowledging how they performed their works on the so called 'Burma Road' although it was in fact a railway, preferably museums set up next door to their atomic bomb museums, just to make things more even handed and more easily understood by all.

ippy.

I take it we have one for the Dresden bombings?

[Walter]

I take it we have one for the Dresden bombings?

Yeah, it's next door to the museum of the Pacifist

[Nearly Sane]

Yeah, it's next door to the museum of the Pacifist

We don't need one. The piles of the dead are what qualifies for museums.

[Harrowby Hall]

I note the Japanese have a museum dedicated to the info about the atomic bombs, there may be two of them one in each town bombed I don't know,

Hiroshima is a city I know quite well. There is indeed a Peace Museum - set in the Peace Park just across the river from the epicentre of the nuclear explosion and adjacent the Aioi Bridge which was the target for the bomb attack. It is not "dedicated to the info about the atomic bombs" but is a record of the events in one day which saw the eventual deaths of perhaps 180,000 people. I have visited it on four occasions - each time being more moved than I can possibly explain. Its primary purpose is to inform and warn and to try to avoid any such incident occurring again.

What the HELL this has to do with coronavirus only you can say, Ippy.

I do think that it is true that - unlike Germany - Japan has never quite come to terms with its role in WW2. However, the relevance of your post is beyond me.

[Nearly Sane]

So now we are having a Herculean attempt at getting PPE, as opposed  to planning for this, or doing this 3 months ago, and not lying in the interim that everything was fine! People on the front line will have died, and will die because of the incompetence of this govt 
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52248423

[ippy]

Hiroshima is a city I know quite well. There is indeed a Peace Museum - set in the Peace Park just across the river from the epicentre of the nuclear explosion and adjacent the Aioi Bridge which was the target for the bomb attack. It is not "dedicated to the info about the atomic bombs" but is a record of the events in one day which saw the eventual deaths of perhaps 180,000 people. I have visited it on four occasions - each time being more moved than I can possibly explain. Its primary purpose is to inform and warn and to try to avoid any such incident occurring again.

What the HELL this has to do with coronavirus only you can say, Ippy.

I do think that it is true that - unlike Germany - Japan has never quite come to terms with its role in WW2. However, the relevance of your post is beyond me.

Have another look at jakswan's post H H, the first line.

[Robbie]

ippy, I know your post was not directed at me but do you mean post #1421?

[Udayana]

So now we are having a Herculean attempt at getting PPE, as opposed  to planning for this, or doing this 3 months ago, and not lying in the interim that everything was fine! People on the front line will have died, and will die because of the incompetence of this govt 
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52248423

It's incontrovertible that the minister speaking, the PM and government is the best ever appointed and can do no wrong, so everything else is rationalized  around that.

[Enki]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52241221

New York state are having to bury bodies in a mass grave!

New York state now has more coronavirus cases than any single country.
The state's confirmed caseload of Covid-19 is almost 162,000, of whom 7,067 have died, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Nothing new about this except the number of burials has been ramped up because of the  deaths from this pandemic as your BBC link makes clear.  Bodies have regularly been interred in mass graves there for at least for the last 150 years.

[wigginhall]

I think there are plenty of fresh mortuaries appearing in the UK, I bet that won't be on the front page of the Sun.

[Enki]

I think there are plenty of fresh mortuaries appearing in the UK, I bet that won't be on the front page of the Sun.

Don't know about the front page, Wiggs(I never buy any newspaper) but look at this, seemingly produced by journalists(is that what they are called?)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11373868/morgue-london-nhs-nightingale-coronavirus-hospital/

[SusanDoris]

I'd just like to mention that I have done 20 laps of my back and forth this morning, time 45 minutes, that's two more than previous  best. Wearing slightly lighter-weight clothes has probably helped a little bit.

I shall now try and concentrate a bit more on the Cryptic crossword, although I don't like the first clue much!

[wigginhall]

Don't know about the front page, Wiggs(I never buy any newspaper) but look at this, seemingly produced by journalists(is that what they are called?)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11373868/morgue-london-nhs-nightingale-coronavirus-hospital/

Yes, I didn't see that.  I think there are new mortuaries all over the country.   With a 1000 deaths a day, they are needed.

[Nearly Sane]

From the BBC live feed - what an unmitigated prick, Hancock is!


'There have been cases where medical workers have used more personal protective equipment (PPE) than necessary, the UK health secretary has said, after a doctor's union warned that many doctors were not getting the equipment they need.

The British Medical Association said doctors faced "heart-breaking decisions" over whether to carry on without proper protection.

Matt Hancock told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that there was enough personal protective equipment to go around if it was used in line with guidance.

"I don't want to impugn blame on people who have used more PPE than the guidelines suggest because I understand the difficulties in the circumstances," he said.

"What I would say it is very important to use the right PPE and not overuse it."

The health secretary confirmed that 19 NHS workers had died since the start of the outbreak.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer tweeted: "It is quite frankly insulting to imply front line staff are wasting PPE."

Dame Donna Kinnair, general secretary of the Royal College of Nursing, told Today that no piece of PPE could ever be "more precious a resource than a healthcare worker's life, a nurse's life, a doctor's life".'

[torridon]

No doubt the current pandemic will see the anti-vaxxers quietly queuing up for their anti-coronavirus shot as soon as it becomes available. Conspiracy theories are for armchair idiots who are cushioned from real life. Seeing actual people suffer and actually die will be a wake up call for science deniers everywhere.

[Nearly Sane]

No doubt the current pandemic will see the anti-vaxxers quietly queuing up for their anti-coronavirus shot as soon as it becomes available. Conspiracy theories are for armchair idiots who are cushioned from real life. Seeing actual people suffer and actually die will be a wake up call for science deniers everywhere.

I fear not. There is a lot of stuff about this being a huge vaccination conspiracy which will lead to everyone being injected with microchips. Apparently the whole thing is Bill Gates' idea.

[jeremyp]

From the BBC live feed - what an unmitigated prick, Hancock is!


'There have been cases where medical workers have used more personal protective equipment (PPE) than necessary, the UK health secretary has said, after a doctor's union warned that many doctors were not getting the equipment they need.

The British Medical Association said doctors faced "heart-breaking decisions" over whether to carry on without proper protection.

Matt Hancock told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that there was enough personal protective equipment to go around if it was used in line with guidance.

"I don't want to impugn blame on people who have used more PPE than the guidelines suggest because I understand the difficulties in the circumstances," he said.

"What I would say it is very important to use the right PPE and not overuse it."

The health secretary confirmed that 19 NHS workers had died since the start of the outbreak.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer tweeted: "It is quite frankly insulting to imply front line staff are wasting PPE."

Dame Donna Kinnair, general secretary of the Royal College of Nursing, told Today that no piece of PPE could ever be "more precious a resource than a healthcare worker's life, a nurse's life, a doctor's life".'

It seems sensible to me, if your quote is accurate. Why would you want to waste PPE since it's in such demand  at the moment?

[jeremyp]

No doubt the current pandemic will see the anti-vaxxers quietly queuing up for their anti-coronavirus shot as soon as it becomes available.

Actually, I think a significant proportion of them will refuse the vaccine.

And that will be a problem because the disease is so infectious we are going to need a pretty high coverage for it to be effective.

[Nearly Sane]

It seems sensible to me, if your quote is accurate. Why would you want to waste PPE since it's in such demand  at the moment?

Because there is no evidence of it being wasted. Because it's blaming any shortage in an accusation that he isn't evidencing. You want to support the govts mistakes and lies that have lead to deaths of front line staff then on you go.

[Harrowby Hall]

Have another look at jakswan's post H H, the first line.

Do you mean jakswan's own contribution or the post to which he was replying? I'm assuming the former.

I was referring to the event on 6 August 1945 - not the second explosion three days later.

[jeremyp]

Because there is no evidence of it being wasted.

Matt Hancock seems to think there is. Are you better informed than he is?

Because it's blaming any shortage in an accusation that he isn't evidencing.

He's not blaming people for the shortage. He's just pointing out a fact: if you use more of a resource in short supply, it is a bad thing.

You want to support the govts mistakes and lies that have lead to deaths of front line staff then on you go.

It saves lives to stop people from using more PPE than they need.

[jakswan]

Yes, I didn't see that.  I think there are new mortuaries all over the country.   With a 1000 deaths a day, they are needed.

Not really making a point here but total deaths in England and Wales.

03-Jan-20   10-Jan-20   17-Jan-20   24-Jan-20   31-Jan-20   07-Feb-20   14-Feb-20   21-Feb-20   28-Feb-20   06-Mar-20   13-Mar-20   20-Mar-20   27-Mar-20
12,254   14,058   12,990   11,856   11,612   10,986   10,944   10,841   10,816   10,895   11,019   10,645   11,141

from ONS, https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales