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« Reply #1475 on: April 11, 2020, 06:27:24 PM »
do you spend hours in bed unable to sleep every night trying to eliminate the 'six degrees of separation' ?
Whereas you wake up at 2.37, to realise you have been supporting an incompetent liar whose actions may lead to the death of your daughter-in-law, but then think 'hey, It's only a mask for me' and fall asleep at 2.40.
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« Reply #1476 on: April 11, 2020, 06:32:42 PM »
Of their's I prefer this which I think should be the Scottish national anthem

https://youtu.be/ytii7-bUxuk
well I can't fault you there pal

they have my admiration , their contribution to pop culture is to be celebrated , I trust Scotland is proud?

I spent time with them , I admired their commitment.

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« Reply #1477 on: April 11, 2020, 06:38:17 PM »
Whereas you wake up at 2.37, to realise you have been supporting an incompetent liar whose actions may lead to the death of your daughter-in-law, but then think 'hey, It's only a mask for me' and fall asleep at 2.40.
fuck me !  DON'T
 , my son is almost at breaking point too . Fortunately she now has 7 days off work


but my previous post still applies

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« Reply #1478 on: April 11, 2020, 06:40:17 PM »
fuck me !  DON'T
 , my son is almost at breaking point too . Fortunately she now has 7 days off work


but my previous post still applies

Then so does mine.

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« Reply #1479 on: April 11, 2020, 06:41:46 PM »
well I can't fault you there pal

they have my admiration , their contribution to pop culture is to be celebrated , I trust Scotland is proud?

I spent time with them , I admired their commitment.
Sadly I don't think we celebrate them enough.



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« Reply #1480 on: April 11, 2020, 06:48:52 PM »
Then so does mine.
today the sun and the gin has mellowed me a bit , and the fact she is OFF work for a while and i can see them both enjoying each others company outside in the fresh air sitting on their balcony overlooking the Dales ,renders me unable to argue stupidities on here any more today

 I am glad for them , I am pleased you are well too 
so today just be glad to be alive old chap ,
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1481 on: April 11, 2020, 08:41:05 PM »
today the sun and the gin has mellowed me a bit , and the fact she is OFF work for a while and i can see them both enjoying each others company outside in the fresh air sitting on their balcony overlooking the Dales ,renders me unable to argue stupidities on here any more today

 I am glad for them , I am pleased you are well too 
so today just be glad to be alive old chap ,
best wishes
Lovely post. Just had a virtual planning drinking session with some friends we were due to be on holiday with mid May about what we do next.

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« Reply #1482 on: April 11, 2020, 08:54:25 PM »
A criticism is either valid or not, don't see why political outlook would matter. In fact there is an underlying tendency for people to want to believe that their government is trustworthy and to have confidence in it.
That might be true of general society, but it’s not true of some people on this forum.



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If there is hatred, why assume it is the reason for criticism, rather than  resulting from observation of previous performance?   
Because people are trying to crucify Matt Hancock for saying something that is common sense: don’t waste stuff that is in short supply.
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If anything, the media spin is to try and make the government look half-competent - switching focus onto Boris' recovery or feel-good activities during lockdown stories.
 
Yeah, it must be spin because in my mind there is no way the government could be half competent /sarcasm 

And you know what? I’d really like some feel good stories right now.
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« Reply #1483 on: April 11, 2020, 08:56:59 PM »
That might be true of general society, but it’s not true of some people on this forum.


Because people are trying to crucify Matt Hancock for saying something that is common sense: don’t waste stuff that is in short supply. Yeah, it must be spin because in my mind there is no way the government could be half competent /sarcasm 

And you know what? I’d really like some feel good stories right now.
So basically you are saying because you don't want people to be dying because of the govt, you will just deny it.

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« Reply #1484 on: April 11, 2020, 09:00:22 PM »
So basically you are saying because you don't want people to be dying because of the govt, you will just deny it.
Stop with this bullshit.

Wanting a feel good story is not the same as denying the absolute horror of the situation.
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« Reply #1485 on: April 11, 2020, 09:09:16 PM »
Stop with this bullshit.

Wanting a feel good story is not the same as denying the absolute horror of the situation.
It exactly is that if it affects your inability to criticise the failings of the govt. Stop apologising for bad planning that has lead to the death of people on the front line.

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« Reply #1486 on: April 11, 2020, 10:39:21 PM »
"I'm sorry if people feel like there have been failings." From Priti Patel this evening. Not an apology but an accusation that the BMA, the RCN are liars. That any front line staff who think they didn't have sufficient PPE are liars. But that's ok for those who eant to dismiss front line staff as whingers, and people wasting resources. It doesn't matter that people like my friend, still on a ventilator, might die because... Honestly up to them to justify why.

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« Reply #1487 on: April 11, 2020, 10:52:56 PM »
That might be true of general society, but it’s not true of some people on this forum.


Because people are trying to crucify Matt Hancock for saying something that is common sense: don’t waste stuff that is in short supply. Yeah, it must be spin because in my mind there is no way the government could be half competent /sarcasm 

And you know what? I’d really like some feel good stories right now.

No doubt once this is all over, we will have inquiries to determine if what was done or not done was right or wrong at any time.

The immediate concern is what needs to be done now given where we are. Disruption due to the epidemic will be with us for at least the next 6 months. The government should be planning for how society will operate during this time so that we can emerge with a workable economy and minimal poverty or excess deaths or illness.

I haven't seen any sign that they are prepared for this, or even what they will do in three weeks time when we find the peak hospitalisations have passed.

If they do have plans and are just keeping them secret - that in itself is a big mistake.
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« Reply #1488 on: April 11, 2020, 11:24:09 PM »
I have nothing against you praying if you like, but I strongly advise you to follow the advice of medical professionals. Don't just trust your god to get you through this.

As God provided both why should we not use both?  Some times I think people do hot realise we believe everything came from God.  :)
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« Reply #1489 on: April 12, 2020, 12:30:34 AM »
As God provided both why should we not use both?  Some times I think people do hot realise we believe everything came from God.  :)
including coronavirus and child cancer

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« Reply #1490 on: April 12, 2020, 04:40:16 AM »
"I'm sorry if people feel like there have been failings." From Priti Patel this evening. Not an apology but an accusation that the BMA, the RCN are liars. That any front line staff who think they didn't have sufficient PPE are liars. But that's ok for those who eant to dismiss front line staff as whingers, and people wasting resources. It doesn't matter that people like my friend, still on a ventilator, might die because... Honestly up to them to justify why.
In general, "I'm sorry you feel that way", "I'm sorry you were offended", and other sentences to that effect are weaselly non-apologies, beloved of politiciasns, which imply that the other person is thin-skinned. Thw word "sorry" on its own is decidedly weaselly. I'm sorry that I've never won s lottery jackpot, but that's not an apology. The only words thast cut the mustard are "I apologise", because they unequivocally take the blame.
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« Reply #1493 on: April 12, 2020, 01:53:19 PM »
Do you mean jakswan's own contribution or the post to which he was replying? I'm assuming the former.

I was referring to the event on 6 August 1945 - not the second explosion three days later.

I'm sure the regrettable events of that time did involve the experimental as well as a terrible necessity to do something and to my mind terrible as it was it was to my mind the only option available at that time and it wasn't in totality wrong doing by the Americans that caused these events and it really gets up my nostrils when it's always, 'how wrong of the Americans', always gets front seat.

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« Reply #1494 on: April 12, 2020, 02:33:11 PM »
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-government-close-to-lies-over-coronavirus-deaths-warns-expert-11972083

John Ashton continues to make the case for government openness - how can good decisions be made on false data?

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Prof Ashton, who is also a former president of the Faculty of Public Health, told Sky News: "At the moment, a lot of what's going on in these briefings is coming very close to lies and we must prevent this from happening at all costs."

He said: "It may be one and a half times what we've got…it may even be twice as many…you know if I was to say well if it's 10, let's call it 20….is my truth any better than their truth in this?"

"We need to be able to see the data and crawl over it and really see what's really going on."
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« Reply #1495 on: April 12, 2020, 03:21:30 PM »
No doubt once this is all over, we will have inquiries to determine if what was done or not done was right or wrong at any time.

The immediate concern is what needs to be done now given where we are. Disruption due to the epidemic will be with us for at least the next 6 months. The government should be planning for how society will operate during this time so that we can emerge with a workable economy and minimal poverty or excess deaths or illness.

I haven't seen any sign that they are prepared for this, or even what they will do in three weeks time when we find the peak hospitalisations have passed.

If they do have plans and are just keeping them secret - that in itself is a big mistake.
Sorry but you are asking the government to square the circle. You can choose either minimal poverty or minimal excess deaths but not both. That is the reality of the situation.
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« Reply #1496 on: April 12, 2020, 03:40:48 PM »
Good thread

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1249127908876128259.html?fbclid=IwAR2MNs3yI3jtphDlwfVXUckfLYiYZzDtcx8DrnNpJMDJY2k_ZwsrK3qBUwc

 A scary thread.  Irish deaths at 320, in a population of 5 million, UK deaths 10  000, out of 66 million.

There are probably many confounding factors, e.g., Ireland more rural, fewer travellers,  but it seems that they locked down earlier, thus St Pats Day was cancelled, while in the UK we had the Cheltenham Festival, football matches, pop concerts.

Why aren't the media investigating? 
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« Reply #1497 on: April 12, 2020, 03:44:38 PM »
Sorry but you are asking the government to square the circle. You can choose either minimal poverty or minimal excess deaths but not both. That is the reality of the situation.

er... but I did say minimal poverty OR excess deaths, not ... AND ...

In any case, somewhat separately, I want a workable economy that minimizes poverty - ie. a fair, well balanced  economy - not the one we had before covid, which left us unprepared for predictable events and is unable to cope with a temporary shutdown of non-essential activities.
 
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« Reply #1498 on: April 12, 2020, 04:13:43 PM »
I'm sure the regrettable events of that time did involve the experimental as well as a terrible necessity to do something and to my mind terrible as it was it was to my mind the only option available at that time and it wasn't in totality wrong doing by the Americans that caused these events and it really gets up my nostrils when it's always, 'how wrong of the Americans', always gets front seat.

I agree with you - almost completely. I think that, as you say, the Hiroshima bomb was "the only option at that time".  My understanding is that its use and the immediate aftermath virtually paralysed the Japanese high command into total inaction and because Japan did not surrender immediately, Nagasaki was bombed.

It has been suggested that the Americans should have organised a demonstration of the atomic bomb on an uninhabited island rather than drop it on a major city, but the evidence suggests that Hiroshima had been selected as a suitable target some time before. It is enclosed by a ring of hills and the effects of blast and radiation would be contained. It was continually spared  when other cities were subjected to fire bombing. Nagasaki was not a prime target and was only used because preferred targets were obscured by bad weather.

There is a very beautiful animated film, available from Amazon, entitled  In This Corner of the World which is about ordinary Japanese people living in the Hiroshima area during World War 2. I highly recommend it.


But - as I said before - what has this to do with COVID-19?
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« Reply #1499 on: April 12, 2020, 04:57:12 PM »

A  joke going around....

'There is no cure for a virus that is killed by soap water...?!'