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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1500 on: April 12, 2020, 05:09:26 PM »
A  joke going around....

'There is no cure for a virus that is killed by soap water...?!'
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« Reply #1501 on: April 12, 2020, 05:37:43 PM »
A  joke going around....

'There is no cure for a virus that is killed by soap water...?!'
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« Reply #1502 on: April 12, 2020, 06:27:56 PM »
I agree with you - almost completely. I think that, as you say, the Hiroshima bomb was "the only option at that time".  My understanding is that its use and the immediate aftermath virtually paralysed the Japanese high command into total inaction and because Japan did not surrender immediately, Nagasaki was bombed.

It has been suggested that the Americans should have organised a demonstration of the atomic bomb on an uninhabited island rather than drop it on a major city, but the evidence suggests that Hiroshima had been selected as a suitable target some time before. It is enclosed by a ring of hills and the effects of blast and radiation would be contained. It was continually spared  when other cities were subjected to fire bombing. Nagasaki was not a prime target and was only used because preferred targets were obscured by bad weather.

There is a very beautiful animated film, available from Amazon, entitled  In This Corner of the World which is about ordinary Japanese people living in the Hiroshima area during World War 2. I highly recommend it.


But - as I said before - what has this to do with COVID-19?

Sounds about right to me H H.

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« Reply #1503 on: April 12, 2020, 06:39:45 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-52260970

An Oxford eye hospital has seen a increase in serious eye injuries since the lockdown, due to people doing DIY tasks without wearing eye protection.
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« Reply #1504 on: April 12, 2020, 07:46:13 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-52260970

An Oxford eye hospital has seen a increase in serious eye injuries since the lockdown, due to people doing DIY tasks without wearing eye protection.

No one wears eye protection whilst doing DIY, except on telly. Mostly because it's stupid.
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« Reply #1505 on: April 13, 2020, 05:16:54 AM »
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."


There is no 'sound and fury' NS.  It is not a Shakespearean drama....just a joke with irony.

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« Reply #1506 on: April 13, 2020, 10:30:07 AM »
er... but I did say minimal poverty OR excess deaths, not ... AND ...
Well what you actually wrote was:

"we can emerge with a workable economy and minimal poverty or excess deaths or illness"

which literally means we could have minimal poverty or we could have excess deaths. However, I chose to interpret it as "we can emerge with a workable economy and minimal poverty or minimal excess deaths or illness" because that seemed more like your intent.

i.e. we could choose to focus on minimising poverty or minimising deaths. You could go for some middle way and accept some excess deaths in return for not having the worst possible economy and poverty but that course of action proved very unpopular.
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In any case, somewhat separately, I want a workable economy that minimizes poverty - ie. a fair, well balanced  economy - not the one we had before covid
How do you know that the economy we had before is not the one that minimises poverty?

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which left us unprepared for predictable events
If we'd had a huge stock pile of PPE or ventilators, we might have found it unusable when the crisis came around. You can be prepared for a crisis like this, but it has its own cost. You can't just fill a warehouse full of stuff and expect it to be usable in 50 years when the next pandemic happens. You've got to maintain it. You've got to have regular practice runs. It all costs money and time and opportunity. If it was as easy to be prepared for a pandemic as it is to rant about it on a message board, we would be prepared.

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and is unable to cope with a temporary shutdown of non-essential activities.
I think we are coping by and large.
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« Reply #1507 on: April 13, 2020, 10:51:36 AM »
I've been loathe to comment on this before because it is off topic (maybe the mods can move the Hiroshima stuff to a new thread), but I think I will now.

I agree with you - almost completely. I think that, as you say, the Hiroshima bomb was "the only option at that time".
The Hiroshima bomb was not the only option at the time. Two others that come to mind:

1. launch a full scale invasion of Japan.

2. Negotiate a peace

Option 1 would have been a bloodbath and perhaps unlikely to succeed: compare the D-Day landings and the enormous efforts required to make them successful. Then check the amount of ocean needed to be crossed to get from Britain to Northern France as opposed to from the USA to Japan.

Option 2 was politically unacceptable because of Pearl Harbour. I don't think Japan would have accepted any kind of peace that didn't allow them to keep some of the territories they captured. Japan was in a war with China and short of the resources needed to prosecute that war. That's why they launched the Pacific war in the first place.

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It has been suggested that the Americans should have organised a demonstration of the atomic bomb on an uninhabited island rather than drop it on a major city, but the evidence suggests that Hiroshima had been selected as a suitable target some time before. It is enclosed by a ring of hills and the effects of blast and radiation would be contained. It was continually spared  when other cities were subjected to fire bombing. Nagasaki was not a prime target and was only used because preferred targets were obscured by bad weather.
They only had two bombs. They probably wanted the highest possible impact to drive the message home to the Japanese. If they had just done a demonstration, Japan might have carried on "yes they've got this bomb, but they clearly won't use it against cities". One bomb wasted.

Another thing to bear in mind is that this really wasn't a huge moral leap. They firebombed Tokyo in March  and caused comparable casualties and conventional bombing had levelled cities regularly in Japan and Germany with similar levels of casualties. Tokyo wasn't chosen as a target for the atom bomb mainly because there was practically nothing left of it.

Finally, imagine being president and not dropping the bomb and then invading Japan. What would you say to the mothers, wives and children of the million or so servicemen killed in the invasion of Japan in 1947 when they found out you had the means to end the war a year early?
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« Reply #1508 on: April 13, 2020, 10:55:24 AM »
An interesting article ..... https://tinyurl.com/vpjqh7y

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« Reply #1509 on: April 13, 2020, 05:09:31 PM »
My friend who is on the ventilator is going to be given a tracheostomy as while her lungs and heart are doing ok, her body is very weak so this will give her more time conscious and allow more physio to be done.

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« Reply #1510 on: April 13, 2020, 05:55:45 PM »
My friend who is on the ventilator is going to be given a tracheostomy as while her lungs and heart are doing ok, her body is very weak so this will give her more time conscious and allow more physio to be done.
best wishes to your friend and yourself

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« Reply #1511 on: April 13, 2020, 07:17:41 PM »
This is heart warming but the NHS needs not to be seen as a charity. The Tories will need to follow through in support of the staff with wage rises rather than claps.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52269398

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« Reply #1512 on: April 13, 2020, 07:23:04 PM »

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« Reply #1513 on: April 13, 2020, 07:51:04 PM »
But it's all okay, Princess Beatrice is going to raise our spirits next year.



https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1268047/princess-beatrice-royal-wedding-Edoardo-Mapelli-Mozzi-coronavirus

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« Reply #1515 on: April 13, 2020, 08:27:43 PM »
Edgy Eamonn = ignorant Eamonn


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52270736
good ol Eamonn
he probably thinks those towers are Neurotransmitters ! :o

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1517 on: April 14, 2020, 10:30:29 AM »
Well what you actually wrote was:

"we can emerge with a workable economy and minimal poverty or excess deaths or illness"

which literally means we could have minimal poverty or we could have excess deaths. However, I chose to interpret it as "we can emerge with a workable economy and minimal poverty or minimal excess deaths or illness" because that seemed more like your intent.

i.e. we could choose to focus on minimising poverty or minimising deaths. You could go for some middle way and accept some excess deaths in return for not having the worst possible economy and poverty but that course of action proved very unpopular. How do you know that the economy we had before is not the one that minimises poverty?

hmm.. you might be right ... whatever...

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If we'd had a huge stock pile of PPE or ventilators, we might have found it unusable when the crisis came around. You can be prepared for a crisis like this, but it has its own cost. You can't just fill a warehouse full of stuff and expect it to be usable in 50 years when the next pandemic happens. You've got to maintain it. You've got to have regular practice runs. It all costs money and time and opportunity. If it was as easy to be prepared for a pandemic as it is to rant about it on a message board, we would be prepared.

Having a system to maintain sufficient stocks for epidemics or other natural or man made disasters is clearly do-able in an effective and efficient manner. Even the preparations for brexit are likely to have helped us in the present one. You only need enough stocks - used as a reservoir so it doesn't become unusable - to keep you going until contingency plans, reassigning production as needed, kick in with sufficient fresh supplies. 

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I think we are coping by and large.

Well... wasn't it you protesting about being fucked  :-\
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« Reply #1518 on: April 14, 2020, 01:08:06 PM »
Something amazing and courageous: while recovering from a hip operation and skin cancer, 99yr old Tom Moore is walking 100 laps of his driveway (which is fairly lengthy) before his 100th birthday at the end of the month to raise money for the NHS. Bravo!!

Enjoy:

https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1248516062364106753

Capt. Tom Moore has now raised over £1m.

Well done to you sir!  :)
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« Reply #1519 on: April 14, 2020, 01:29:00 PM »
Capt. Tom Moore has now raised over £1m.

Well done to you sir!  :)
It's great that he has done it.

But we need to be careful with a 'charitization' of the NHS where the govt avoids enough investment because of what is essentially window dressing.

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« Reply #1520 on: April 14, 2020, 01:30:55 PM »
Capt. Tom Moore has now raised over £1m.

Well done to you sir!  :)

FANTASTIC :)
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« Reply #1521 on: April 14, 2020, 02:30:07 PM »
Last week the Finnish goverment started to do random antibody tests and will do till the end of the year, so they can get a clearer picture of how widely the virus has spread. Initially they will only be able to do 750 tests a week in and around the capital but hope to gradually extend testing to the rest of the country. I might see if I can get it done privately. I have a suspicion I might have already had it around the turn of February/March. If it wasn't, it was certainly a dead ringer for it.
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« Reply #1522 on: April 14, 2020, 03:08:23 PM »
After at least three weeks of trying to solve my particular problem (i.e. getting the food and supplies I want from Tesco to here) and coming up against dead ends - very interested and helpful people all along, but still, dead ends, it looks as if I am getting somewhere. Help The Aged, with whom I left a message at the beginning of last week I think it was, have just phoned to ask for more information and have arranged a phone call with someone tomorrow morning to register me as definitely on the very vulnrerable list.
The solution is  basically simple: someone to collect my shopping list and the money, go to Tesco and bring it back. But so many other things have to be taken into consideration, particularly in an area like this where there are so many elderly people.
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« Reply #1523 on: April 14, 2020, 03:49:59 PM »
From the BBC live feed


'The UK’s mobile networks have reported 20 cases of phone masts being targeted in suspected arson attacks over the weekend.

Conspiracy theories falsely claiming the 5G network has caused or helped accelerate the spread of Covid-19 have been circulating.

News of the attacks came as media regulator Ofcom announced earlier today it was assessing comments made by ITV presenter Eamonn Holmes about 5G technology and coronavirus.

Trade group Mobile UK said the reported cases had been in England, Wales and Scotland. The figure represents a lower incidence rate than had been the case the previous weekend.

There were also cases reported in the Netherlands over the weekend and a suspected case in Ireland.'

There was weird children's TV programme in the 70s called The Changes, I am reminded of it


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Changes_(TV_series)

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« Reply #1524 on: April 14, 2020, 03:52:54 PM »
There are so many gullible idiots in this world!!! >:( Destroying those masts could put people's lives in danger if they can't use their mobile phone and don't have a landline.
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