Coronavirus

[Roses]

My husband has a problem for which I needed advice from our GP. They were supposed to phone me back yesterday morning, but didn't. When I phoned yesterday afternoon to find out why I hadn't heard anything I was told a prescription had been sent to the local pharmacy. Our surgery wants all their patients to use a special app to contact them. Unfortunately I have not been able to upload it onto my computer. Our eldest girl, or one of my grandsons, would normally do it for me, but with social distancing etc it is of course not possible. HEY HO!

[jeremyp]

My husband has a problem for which I needed advice from our GP. They were supposed to phone me back yesterday morning, but didn't. When I phoned yesterday afternoon to find out why I hadn't heard anything I was told a prescription had been sent to the local pharmacy. Our surgery wants all their patients to use a special app to contact them. Unfortunately I have not been able to upload it onto my computer. Our eldest girl, or one of my grandsons, would normally do it for me, but with social distancing etc it is of course not possible. HEY HO!

What's the app? I and others here might be able to help you out.

[Roses]

What's the app? I and others here might be able to help you out.

The instructions are very simple, but my computer refused to accept it for some reason, I have tried it out several times.

[jeremyp]

The instructions are very simple, but my computer refused to accept it for some reason, I have tried it out several times.

I'll need more than that if I am going to be  able to make any useful suggestions.

However, is it definitely an app for computers? Most of the apps of this nature tend to be for mobile phones only.

[Roses]

I'll need more than that if I am going to be  able to make any useful suggestions.

However, is it definitely an app for computers? Most of the apps of this nature tend to be for mobile phones only.

It is also for computers. Thanks for offering to help but I need someone like one of my kids to show me how to do it in person. I am not brilliant at following instructions.

[SteveH]

It is also for computers. Thanks for offering to help but I need someone like one of my kids to show me how to do it in person. I am not brilliant at following instructions.

I'm sure one of your children could come round and do it for you within the lockdown rules, as long as you stayed at least 2 metres apart, and maybe sterilised the keyboard before and after with a wipe.

[Roses]

I'm sure one of your children could come round and do it for you within the lockdown rules, as long as you stayed at least 2 metres apart, and maybe sterilised the keyboard before and after with a wipe.

I am not going to trouble them unless it is really necessary. Besides which I very much doubt it will be much use anyway. The doctors have made it quite clear that unless one is on the verge of death they aren't really interested!

[Nearly Sane]

My friend is now having half hour stints off and on the ventilator to help her be able to build up her chest muscles. Slow progress but progress.

[Roses]

Denmark is reopening some businesses, these are the ones that are considered important.

Hairdressers, dentists, tattooists and driving school instructors will be allowed to resume work. Other professions include:

Physiotherapists
Psychologists
Beauty and massage salons
Optometrists
Podiatrists
Spa clinics
Piercing studios
Chiropractors


I am gobsmacked that tattooists, beauty salons, and piercing studios are included in the list!

[Aruntraveller]

My friend is now having half hour stints off and on the ventilator to help her be able to build up her chest muscles. Slow progress but progress.

Cautious good news.

[jeremyp]

My friend is now having half hour stints off and on the ventilator to help her be able to build up her chest muscles. Slow progress but progress.

That seems like goods news at a time when we need good news.

[jeremyp]

Denmark is reopening some businesses, these are the ones that are considered important.

Hairdressers, dentists, tattooists and driving school instructors will be allowed to resume work. Other professions include:

Physiotherapists
Psychologists
Beauty and massage salons
Optometrists
Podiatrists
Spa clinics
Piercing studios
Chiropractors


I am gobsmacked that tattooists, beauty salons, and piercing studios are included in the list!

Not as gobsmacked as I am that chiropractors are on the list. If I were i charge, they would be at or near the bottom and I'd forget to all them to open up again after the pandemic.

[Harrowby Hall]

https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/

I listened to the whole of this - well worth while.  A totally different perspective. Probably not a member of the A B deP Johnson fan club.

[Anchorman]

Sadly, the age of the (allegedly) Christian pyramidiot is not dead.
https://khentiamentiu.blogspot.com/2020/04/televangelist-candice-smithyman-says.html?spref=fb&fbclid=IwAR0EE17wYRXEwrK8dplyAnrfP6i_2UTnfRQlSQBSHuDO8fJiJMGt5h1oE6U

[ad_orientem]

https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/

I listened to the whole of this - well worth while.  A totally different perspective. Probably not a member of the A B deP Johnson fan club.

The figures speak for themselves. Sweden's death rate per million is ten times that of ours. So you tell the elderly and risk groups to stay at home and it doesn't matter how many get it. How long do they have to stay at home? They have all the burden put on then.

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52330531

The White House lunatic has been apparently making tweets encouraging people to protest against States run by Democrats, which have strict lock down procedures! :evil:

[torridon]

The figures speak for themselves. Sweden's death rate per million is ten times that of ours. So you tell the elderly and risk groups to stay at home and it doesn't matter how many get it. How long do they have to stay at home? They have all the burden put on then.

Where do you get those figures from ?

Sweden has a lower mortality rate per infected person than the UK (10.63% as opposed to the UK's 13.32%), it also has a lower death rate per head of total population ( 0.01% as opposed to the UK's 0.02%) and a lower known infection rate per head of population (0.12% as opposed to the UK's 0.16%)

France has a very high mortality rate 16.46%, the highest of any large country

[ad_orientem]

Where do you get those figures from ?

Sweden has a lower mortality rate per infected person than the UK (10.63% as opposed to the UK's 13.32%), it also has a lower death rate per head of total population ( 0.01% as opposed to the UK's 0.02%) and a lower known infection rate per head of population (0.12% as opposed to the UK's 0.16%)

France has a very high mortality rate 16.46%, the highest of any large country

Compared to Finland.

[torridon]

Compared to Finland.

Ah, I see, sorry my mistake, interpreting "ours" to mean UK.  Yes, Finland has got off very lightly compared to many countries, mortality rate there is 2.23%, 75 deaths to date, 3400 confirmed cases.

[jeremyp]

https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/

I listened to the whole of this - well worth while.  A totally different perspective. Probably not a member of the A B deP Johnson fan club.

I haven't listened to it yet, but there are clearly problems with his view. For example on the subject of herd immunity:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-immunity/who-unsure-antibodies-protect-against-covid-little-sign-of-herd-immunity-idUSKBN21Z2XM

The WHO says there is so far little evidence that having the disease bestows immunity.

Also, even with the current measures, the NHS came close to breaking point. Without them, it would probably have been overwhelmed. Apparently, if you get put on a ventilator, your chance of survival is about 50%. If you are ill enough to be put on a ventilator, but there isn't one available, your chance of survival is 0%.

Ad O is right. If you compare Sweden's death rate to Finland's and Norways's (probably the two most similar countries), it is ten times higher and five times higher respectively. It's true that our death rate is higher still but our population density is more than ten times that of Sweden.

[Sassy]

including coronavirus and child cancer

Does death really respect age, sex or cause/  The bible is clear that God created man and everything to be good and nothing harmful.  Man disobeyed God and brought the fall and the bad things from Satan handing mankind over to his will and harm for man.  You throw these things in as if it somehow supports your beliefs about God. But the bible shows God is good and it shows if mankind trusts what he has done they can find his will for their lives now before they face the last judgement. You make your own decisions and you therefore by your choice decide who rules your life and your world. God does not want children dying of cancer and coronavirus I believe is manmade in his labs.  When all men at the top care about is money and power how do you expect them to give the healing treatment and lose multi billion pounds from drugs being sold to treat people? We can argue about what is here forever but we have to know what God has to offer before it all ends and you realise like so many that you were wrong. Deception is something Satan is good at.

[Nearly Sane]

Does death really respect age, sex or cause/  The bible is clear that God created man and everything to be good and nothing harmful.  Man disobeyed God and brought the fall and the bad things from Satan handing mankind over to his will and harm for man.  You throw these things in as if it somehow supports your beliefs about God. But the bible shows God is good and it shows if mankind trusts what he has done they can find his will for their lives now before they face the last judgement. You make your own decisions and you therefore by your choice decide who rules your life and your world. God does not want children dying of cancer and coronavirus I believe is manmade in his labs.  When all men at the top care about is money and power how do you expect them to give the healing treatment and lose multi billion pounds from drugs being sold to treat people? We can argue about what is here forever but we have to know what God has to offer before it all ends and you realise like so many that you were wrong. Deception is something Satan is good at.

The Bible shows your god to a murderous psychopath who killed everyone but 8 people, murdered the first born in Egypt,and approved of beating slaves, and rape of women.

[jeremyp]

Does death really respect age, sex or cause/

Your chance of dying in the next year is very strongly correlated to age.

The bible is clear that God created man and everything to be good and nothing harmful.  Man disobeyed God and brought the fall and the bad things from Satan handing mankind over to his will and harm for man.  You throw these things in as if it somehow supports your beliefs about God. But the bible shows God is good and it shows if mankind trusts what he has done they can find his will for their lives now before they face the last judgement. You make your own decisions and you therefore by your choice decide who rules your life and your world. God does not want children dying of cancer

I was going to write a detailed rebuttal of this, but since we are on the coronavirus thread and it would be a derail, I am just going to say you can take your religious nonsense and shove it up your own arse.

and coronavirus I believe is manmade in his labs.

This is almost certainly a falsehood. Please stop spreading untruths.

When all men at the top care about is money and power how do you expect them to give the healing treatment and lose multi billion pounds from drugs being sold to treat people? We can argue about what is here forever but we have to know what God has to offer before it all ends and you realise like so many that you were wrong. Deception is something Satan is good at.

Hopefully there's still some room up your own arse to shove this up it too.

[Roses]

Does death really respect age, sex or cause/  The bible is clear that God created man and everything to be good and nothing harmful.  Man disobeyed God and brought the fall and the bad things from Satan handing mankind over to his will and harm for man.  You throw these things in as if it somehow supports your beliefs about God. But the bible shows God is good and it shows if mankind trusts what he has done they can find his will for their lives now before they face the last judgement. You make your own decisions and you therefore by your choice decide who rules your life and your world. God does not want children dying of cancer and coronavirus I believe is manmade in his labs.  When all men at the top care about is money and power how do you expect them to give the healing treatment and lose multi billion pounds from drugs being sold to treat people? We can argue about what is here forever but we have to know what God has to offer before it all ends and you realise like so many that you were wrong. Deception is something Satan is good at.

This post of your is totally crazy!  Your version of god is evil, Satan couldn't be any worse, there is nothing good about it.

[ad_orientem]

Does death really respect age, sex or cause/  The bible is clear that God created man and everything to be good and nothing harmful.  Man disobeyed God and brought the fall and the bad things from Satan handing mankind over to his will and harm for man.  You throw these things in as if it somehow supports your beliefs about God. But the bible shows God is good and it shows if mankind trusts what he has done they can find his will for their lives now before they face the last judgement. You make your own decisions and you therefore by your choice decide who rules your life and your world. God does not want children dying of cancer and coronavirus I believe is manmade in his labs.  When all men at the top care about is money and power how do you expect them to give the healing treatment and lose multi billion pounds from drugs being sold to treat people? We can argue about what is here forever but we have to know what God has to offer before it all ends and you realise like so many that you were wrong. Deception is something Satan is good at.

Coronavirus was not made in labs. We know that because we know its genetic make up. Fool!