Coronavirus

[Nearly Sane]

Article on some changes in Glasgow to allow social distancing, suspect this will be happening in most places


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-52506154?fbclid=IwAR3R5eSL26yC30GBABqVei0MeiUsrLddoN20NuQrMDWiXb8FetnHk0ihWdc

[Sriram]

.....and another one .....  https://tinyurl.com/ya2g98lu

Yes...besides strokes, there are many patients whose kidneys have been affected. There was one woman in California whose heart is said to have burst open (literally). 

Covid 19 seems to cause very serious damage in some cases....but in most cases it seems to produce only mild symptoms. Very erratic virus....!

[Sriram]

What happens if a vaccine is never developed....?  I believe this is a real possibility.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/03/health/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html

[SteveH]

We'll eventually get to herd immunity, presumably, and the disease will live on at a low level as a permanent feature of life.

[Nearly Sane]

Covid toe!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52493574

[Roses]

Covid-19 seems to be the strangest virus humans have ever encountered.

[Nearly Sane]

'Some of my best friends are Jewish'

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-arbeit-macht-frei-nazi-slogans-at-illinois-rally-against-coronovirus-lockdown-1.8815257?fbclid=IwAR1Erh6D-oxFJSu0YZe6oug_DwedxJM2Ux32Xm2UVmUkjyzVStVFjnC7Ndo

[SteveH]

'Some of my best friends are Jewish'

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-arbeit-macht-frei-nazi-slogans-at-illinois-rally-against-coronovirus-lockdown-1.8815257?fbclid=IwAR1Erh6D-oxFJSu0YZe6oug_DwedxJM2Ux32Xm2UVmUkjyzVStVFjnC7Ndo

As far as I can tell, every other country is putting up with lockdown, however grudgingly, on the whole. Only the yanks are kicking up a stink about it on a big scale, all in the name of liberty, of course. Frankly, I think the yanks over-fetishise liberty.

[Roses]

As far as I can tell, every other country is putting up with lockdown, however grudgingly, on the whole. Only the yanks are kicking up a stink about it on a big scale, all in the name of liberty, of course. Frankly, I think the yanks over-fetishise liberty.

You haven't been observing lockdown by cycling out of your home district for exercise, which you aren't permitted to do.

[SteveH]

You haven't been observing lockdown by cycling out of your home district for exercise, which you aren't permitted to do.

We are allowed to cycle as exercise, and I don't go more than about 15 miles from home, and I observe social distancing, and mind your own bloody business.

[Udayana]

Covid-19 seems to be the strangest virus humans have ever encountered.

Or...

The virus is fairly simple and has just picked up a handy mechanism that helps it invade human respiratory cells.

It's humans that are complicated and strange.

[Aruntraveller]

This could be interesting, Sir David King is setting up an alternative to SAGE:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8281751/Former-chief-scientific-adviser-sets-rival-Sage.html

[Nearly Sane]

Facetime lonely eels


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-52512656/garden-eels-need-help-to-remember-human-faces

[jeremyp]

We'll eventually get to herd immunity, presumably, and the disease will live on at a low level as a permanent feature of life.

There’s no guarantee of herd immunity.

[jeremyp]

As far as I can tell, every other country is putting up with lockdown, however grudgingly, on the whole. Only the yanks are kicking up a stink about it on a big scale, all in the name of liberty, of course. Frankly, I think the yanks over-fetishise liberty.

There have been some protests in the USA but they are not as widespread or well supported as the media makes it appear. Most of the protests have been from just a handful of people.

[wigginhall]

There’s no guarantee of herd immunity.

I thought the issue of immunity hasn't been resolved for people who've had the virus.  Also, if herd immunity does exist in the future, how many deaths would also occur?

[Nearly Sane]

I thought the issue of immunity hasn't been resolved for people who've had the virus.  Also, if herd immunity does exist in the future, how many deaths would also occur?

I doubt we will have it completely resolved but the news has been better of late

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-patients-cant-relapse-south-korean-scientists-believe-rkm8zm7d9?fbclid=IwAR0anm6gBKhtHflFjVG0lkQu2-b-zowC7LUgxKMLPim0BQNV06R3wzqjKyw

[Nearly Sane]

There have been some protests in the USA but they are not as widespread or well supported as the media makes it appear. Most of the protests have been from just a handful of people.

And some protests here.

[Udayana]

I thought the issue of immunity hasn't been resolved for people who've had the virus.  Also, if herd immunity does exist in the future, how many deaths would also occur?

There seems to be a level of immunity (with earlier suspected cases of re-infection now having been discounted). But we don't yet know if immunity is likely to last over a long period or over virus changes. Neither do we know of any long term complications that might be caused by infection.

If the disease persists in the long term we will get used to it as just a another condition tackled with a variety of drugs where needed.
 

[Nearly Sane]

There seems to be a level of immunity (with earlier suspected cases of re-infection now having been discounted). But we don't yet know if immunity is likely to last over a long period or over virus changes. Neither do we know of any long term complications that might be caused by infection.

If the disease persists in the long term we will get used to it as just a another condition tackled with a variety of drugs where needed.

We also don't know that there aren't long term complications for obvious reasons. My friend who has had a serious bout of it has had lots of damage to her lungs and heart and if is not clear that will completely heal.

[Udayana]

We also don't know that there aren't long term complications for obvious reasons. My friend who has had a serious bout of it has had lots of damage to her lungs and heart and if is not clear that will completely heal.

Yes, from reports, a serious attack can be a major trauma even without needing to go onto ventilator. Hope she does have a rapid recovery.
 

[Nearly Sane]

Yes, from reports, a serious attack can be a major trauma even without needing to go onto ventilator. Hope she does have a rapid recovery.

So the current prognosis is another 2 months in hospital and 18 months physio after that. But today she asked for their netflix password and that small thing feels so feckin important

[Sriram]

Some hope...?!

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-hail-groundbreaking-discovery-of-antibody-which-prevents-infection-11982809

[Udayana]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/vote-leave-ai-firm-wins-seven-government-contracts-in-18-months

Although I do see mobile technology using a smatphone app as a (partial) solution  or at least an aid in contact tracing, it can't possibly work unless it is trusted. I don't think the NHSX app can be.

What is needed is an open source app based on the decentralized Apple/Google framework, that is interoperable worldwide.     

Also see:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/04/uk-government-using-crisis-to-transfer-nhs-duties-to-private-sector

UK government clearly gaming the pandemic and handing out sweeties to their mates.
 

[Sriram]

Israel also claims a breakthrough. 

https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/coronavirus-israel-claims-breakthrough-that-can-neutralise-covid-19-1.1014995