Coronavirus

[Roses]

So when you say 'the people who want me to clap for Sturgeon', you actually mean Howard Begg, 63 from East Lothian - FFS - I wish I'd never asked.

At least people had heard of Ben Fogle and his suggestion of clapping for the Queen was widely derided and universally ignored.

I am happy to clap for Her Majesty.

[Nearly Sane]

So when you say 'the people who want me to clap for Sturgeon', you actually mean Howard Begg, 63 from East Lothian - FFS - I wish I'd never asked.

At least people had heard of Ben Fogle and his suggestion of clapping for the Queen was widely derided and universally ignored.

I can't image there will be many people round my neck of the woods clapping for Sturgeon between 6pm and 6:10pm (don't you just love the accuracy) tonight. I'll check in at 6:15 tonight for your update on whether anyone was clapping round your neck of the woods - somehow I suspect not.

No, he isn't alone on social media as the report makes clear. And at no point did I say that you had heard of the people so why Fogle's fame has anything to do with it, I have no idea.

[ProfessorDavey]

I am happy to clap for Her Majesty.

Did you at 9am on the 21st April - which was when Fogle wanted this to happen.

[ProfessorDavey]

No, he isn't alone on social media as the report makes clear.

Yes he is - did you actually read the article.

In terms of social media the article says there is nothing on twitter, but there is a Facebook event ... 'organised under the name "CLAP FOR NIC", but so far only one person has said they will be attending' - that one person presumably being ... err ...Howard Begg, 63 from East Lothian

And you also mentioned clap for Boris - where it this then.

[Nearly Sane]

My friend has just got out of hospital. Hurrah

[Roses]

My friend has just got out of hospital. Hurrah

That is great.

[ad_orientem]

My friend has just got out of hospital. Hurrah

Good stuff!

[ProfessorDavey]

My friend has just got out of hospital. Hurrah

Great - that is worth clapping about

[Aruntraveller]

My friend has just got out of hospital. Hurrah

Good news!

[Aruntraveller]

On the clapping. Our household has stopped. Not, because for one moment we don't value the NHS. We do. As some will know I used to work in it and still have friends putting themselves at risk everyday to care for people with Covid 19.

My problem with it is two fold. It's getting a bit poppy day-ish. You now have to clap. People are  watching to see who is clapping and who isn't - I mean even Prof D is taking notes of who is clapping on his street  and I don't like that kind of enforced "jollity". It smacks too much of New Years Eve where you are forced to have a damn good time whether you want to or not.

The other reason, and this is more difficult to explain, is that it kind of diverts from what has happened in the past and what is happening now in the NHS. I live in Worthing and I can guarantee that the majority of people on my street, all of whom come out and clap (and take note of who is not clapping), vote Conservative.

Well whoop-di-do, if they hadn't voted Tory the NHS would not be in the mess it is in now. Underfunded for the last decade, wages frozen, buildings left to deteriorate way past any safe working levels. This happened in the last 10 years. I have seen it and experienced it.

Instead of clapping try not voting Conservative, in the long run it will do the NHS much more good.

[Nearly Sane]

Great - that is worth clapping about

I will be raising a glass. We've had a virtual whisky tasting support group for her husband over the last 8 weeks, and it will be good to have the scheduled one on Sunday, and be able to say hello

[ProfessorDavey]

Instead of clapping try not voting Conservative, in the long run it will do the NHS much more good.

It is possible to clap and also not vote Tory - I do (and don't).

[Nearly Sane]

It is possible to clap and also not vote Tory - I do (and don't).

Trent didn't say that the only people clapping did vote Tory.

[ProfessorDavey]

Trent didn't say that the only people clapping did vote Tory.

I know he didn't - but I think one of the reasons he's stopped clapping (as presumably a non-tory voter) is because he doesn't really want to be part of a hypocritical circus where tory voters are now suddenly wanting to support the NHS when in the ballot box they acted otherwise.

I understand that argument but it doesn't stop me clapping - I think the clapping is more about those who cannot right now support the NHS showing their appreciation for individual NHS (and other) workers who are on the front line.

I think the time for a more comprehensive reappraisal of the value of the NHS isn't right now, but I do think there will be plenty of right wing NHS nay-sayers who will find their message more difficult to get across in due course.

[Aruntraveller]

Yo are correct in your presumption. And I can and do ring friends who are still working to ask them how they are and how much I value their work, so I suppose I'm lucky to be able to express my thanks in a more direct fashion.

[Nearly Sane]

On the clapping. Our household has stopped. Not, because for one moment we don't value the NHS. We do. As some will know I used to work in it and still have friends putting themselves at risk everyday to care for people with Covid 19.

My problem with it is two fold. It's getting a bit poppy day-ish. You now have to clap. People are  watching to see who is clapping and who isn't - I mean even Prof D is taking notes of who is clapping on his street  and I don't like that kind of enforced "jollity". It smacks too much of New Years Eve where you are forced to have a damn good time whether you want to or not.

The other reason, and this is more difficult to explain, is that it kind of diverts from what has happened in the past and what is happening now in the NHS. I live in Worthing and I can guarantee that the majority of people on my street, all of whom come out and clap (and take note of who is not clapping), vote Conservative.

Well whoop-di-do, if they hadn't voted Tory the NHS would not be in the mess it is in now. Underfunded for the last decade, wages frozen, buildings left to deteriorate way past any safe working levels. This happened in the last 10 years. I have seen it and experienced it.

Instead of clapping try not voting Conservative, in the long run it will do the NHS much more good.

Yep,us too


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/21/nhs-doctor-enough-people-clapping

[Nearly Sane]

Ffs!


https://www.newsweek.com/covid-19-conspiracy-theories-england-1505899?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

[Roses]

Ffs!


https://www.newsweek.com/covid-19-conspiracy-theories-england-1505899?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

It is so sad that people can believe that sort of garbage to be true.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52773032

The clap for NHS workers and carers will end next Thursday.

[ProfessorDavey]

Yo are correct in your presumption. And I can and do ring friends who are still working to ask them how they are and how much I value their work, so I suppose I'm lucky to be able to express my thanks in a more direct fashion.

Sure - seems reasonable.

I think there is another reason why I've continued to clap - not just to support the NHS and other front line worker, but also for community cohesion and spirit. It is lovely to see all our neighbours out, and whether we interact with just a friendly wave or a bit of a chat it is great to see everyone. And we all know that at 8pm on Thursdays we will be there for a wave or a chat.

I know not all neighbourhoods are like this, but our street has really pulled together over the past couple of months and it is great to see.

[Nearly Sane]

Ffs!


https://www.newsweek.com/covid-19-conspiracy-theories-england-1505899?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

Link to original report


http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-05-22-conspiracy-beliefs-reduces-following-government-coronavirus-guidance?fbclid=IwAR3psJTMFuEg5MG0V_hXx_eIZZDXmPXFBkv8nZ-rzL2GGZfRybKChKmhSZU

[jeremyp]

About three quarters of all deaths in Sweden have happened in care homes. Care workers were also told not to send elderly patients with the virus to hospital.

So you are saying that people who are known to have coronavirus should be sent to a hospital with a lot of vulnerable people in it (by definition).  I'm not saying that is necessarily the wrong thing to do but you need to be aware of what the consequences of that are.

[jeremyp]

As each day passes it seems John Crace finds it increasingly easy to hit the back of the net: no real surprise there of course.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/21/matt-hancock-is-not-ok-someone-really-ought-to-furlough-him

If "the back of the net" is showing yourself as a sneering arse, I'd agree.

It was a nice afternoon, he was about to go on a 10-day Whitsun break with Carrie, Dilyn the dog and some baby that had mysteriously appeared in Downing Street,

John Crace probably has some important points to make but the above quote shows he is also a complete wanker.

 

[Nearly Sane]

If "the back of the net" is showing yourself as a sneering arse, I'd agree.

John Crace probably has some important points to make but the above quote shows he is also a complete wanker.

Does Boris like you in the cheerleading outfit?

[jeremyp]

Why would I need you to comment on them?

Maybe "need" is the wrong verb. "Want" might be better, but in the context of posting on a message board where the main purpose is to solicit other people's opinions, the distinction is not really that important.

I don't see why you are so reluctant to provide the information asked for.

[Nearly Sane]

Maybe "need" is the wrong verb. "Want" might be better, but in the context of posting on a message board where the main purpose is to solicit other people's opinions, the distinction is not really that important.

I don't see why you are so reluctant to provide the information asked for.

But why would I want any specific individual to comment on any specific thing? If they have no knowledge of it?  I am reluctant to link to Facebook and Twitter for (1) the same reason that I prefer the Guardian to the Times or The Telegraph because of access, (2) because it links in some cases to people I Know, (3) because in some cases it might allow more identification of me than I generally do here.