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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2375 on: May 31, 2020, 11:23:28 PM »
I would like to thank Steve and Robbie for their concerns over my use of the English language.

I appreciate it very much.

I leave you with this thought:

 “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”

Thank you and goodnight sweet posters.
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« Reply #2376 on: May 31, 2020, 11:40:30 PM »
Thank you and God bless oh beautiful Trentvoyager, you're welcome. May the force be with you and give you pleasant dreams  :).
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« Reply #2377 on: June 01, 2020, 06:36:15 AM »
I would like to thank Steve and Robbie for their concerns over my use of the English language.

I appreciate it very much.

I leave you with this thought:

 “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”

Thank you and goodnight sweet posters.
Who did any stone-casting? We simply suggested ways the sentence could have been better expressed.
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« Reply #2378 on: June 01, 2020, 08:21:19 AM »
Who did any stone-casting? We simply suggested ways the sentence could have been better expressed.

Sometimes you really do resemble another poster with your concrete thinking.
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« Reply #2379 on: June 01, 2020, 09:21:48 AM »
Sometimes you really do resemble another poster with your concrete thinking.
I can't think who you mean - Vlad the Incomprehensible, perhaps?
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« Reply #2380 on: June 01, 2020, 09:53:34 AM »
I can't think who you mean - Vlad the Incomprehensible, perhaps?

He's certainly a candidate  ;)
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« Reply #2381 on: June 01, 2020, 10:28:33 AM »
Who did any stone-casting? We simply suggested ways the sentence could have been better expressed.

That is hilarious coming from you, some of your posts give the impression spelling isn't your forte!
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« Reply #2382 on: June 01, 2020, 07:24:26 PM »
I wasn't certain whether this belongs here or in the Science section.

Elemental is a publication devoted to health and associated matters. It is clear that it is not peer-reviewed and essentially populist in its approach. But it does appear to be "informed populist". So, anyway, here is an article from its website:

https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2

Does this really mean that people on warfarin or statins are protected from COVID 19?
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« Reply #2383 on: June 01, 2020, 09:54:49 PM »
First night out after the bars openned here, met my best mate and his wife, naturally conversation moved to the coronavirus. Both were of the opinion that lockdowns were just a way of reducing peoples rights and that it is tantamount to facism. I tried to point out what facism is, but then they just changed the subject. They said the government said this at the beginning of the crisis but now say that, as proof of their incompetence, even though they could only go on the information they had at the time. Then they went on to vaccines and Bill Gates. I pointed out that even if they don't believe in good intentions, that isn't an argument against a vaccine but only an argument against private involvement in public heath. Then they said he aired an opinion that movement should be restricted according to who might have had any potential vaccine. I said any vaccine should be voluntary but any country has the right to make its own rules as regards to movement. They said that's facism. What do I do to help then see straight? And because I didn't agree with them, apparently I haven't done the research and am brainwashed by the main media corporations.
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« Reply #2384 on: June 01, 2020, 10:02:35 PM »
Why would the person who can access computing and mobile phone data need some form of injection? And what would they do with it? And why would it work if they shag the economy?.


The whole point is not to have people reverse the burden of proof. 
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« Reply #2385 on: June 02, 2020, 02:38:52 AM »
First night out after the bars openned here, met my best mate and his wife, naturally conversation moved to the coronavirus. Both were of the opinion that lockdowns were just a way of reducing peoples rights and that it is tantamount to facism. I tried to point out what facism is, but then they just changed the subject. They said the government said this at the beginning of the crisis but now say that, as proof of their incompetence, even though they could only go on the information they had at the time. Then they went on to vaccines and Bill Gates. I pointed out that even if they don't believe in good intentions, that isn't an argument against a vaccine but only an argument against private involvement in public heath. Then they said he aired an opinion that movement should be restricted according to who might have had any potential vaccine. I said any vaccine should be voluntary but any country has the right to make its own rules as regards to movement. They said that's facism. What do I do to help then see straight? And because I didn't agree with them, apparently I haven't done the research and am brainwashed by the main media corporations.

From an American point of view, I can understand the issue with "private involvement."  Private enterprise never includes everyone, because everyone isn't involved in the investment. (Been thinking about that a lot being one who's grown up with the US space industry, and now we have an Elon Musk rocket going up?  It was my first time ever feeling "meh" about a launch from Cape Canaveral.  But, as I said, private enterprise never includes everyone.) Having said that, after all your friends said about vaccines and Bill Gates?  Good luck, and I feel sorry that your experience has so changed when all you want is a drink with friends.  xx
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« Reply #2386 on: June 02, 2020, 10:52:24 AM »
I wasn't certain whether this belongs here or in the Science section.

Elemental is a publication devoted to health and associated matters. It is clear that it is not peer-reviewed and essentially populist in its approach. But it does appear to be "informed populist". So, anyway, here is an article from its website:

https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2

Does this really mean that people on warfarin or statins are protected from CORVID 19?

The idea is clearly interesting and needs more investigation. I doubt, though, that warfarin or statins would fully protect anyone from the disease - even if they could be life-saving for certain patients, depending on the course of the disease: It does affect the lung tissue and may then go on to affect blood or nervous system in addition. Some of the drugs that might help with a vascular system infection could also make an initial respiratory system infection more likely or more severe.
 
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« Reply #2387 on: June 02, 2020, 11:50:47 AM »
Hope they vote to keep it virtual


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52876395

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« Reply #2388 on: June 02, 2020, 11:52:39 AM »
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« Reply #2389 on: June 02, 2020, 12:53:47 PM »
Not sure about this. I wonder how many people will be that keen to travel to here for holidays. Perhaps more support should be about getting to a stage where holidays within the UK were allowed.

And as a slight annoyance the idea that school holidays are uniform across the countries in the UK is one of the problems  with reporting on a devolved system that so often the BBC doesn't seem capable of reflecting.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52886724

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« Reply #2390 on: June 02, 2020, 12:59:17 PM »

And again, I get why a govt might need some flexibility but introducing measures that you then ignore is undermining all your attempts to give clear messages.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52889711

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« Reply #2391 on: June 02, 2020, 03:43:56 PM »
Hope they vote to keep it virtual


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52876395
It would seem that the vote on whether to continue to have remote voting is then based on a physical vote so that those MPs who are shielding such as Robert Halfon are excluded. Another example of this govt being a fucking disgrace and illustration that Rees Mogg who is pushing this pisses on democracy.

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« Reply #2392 on: June 02, 2020, 03:47:35 PM »
The idea is clearly interesting and needs more investigation. I doubt, though, that warfarin or statins would fully protect anyone from the disease - even if they could be life-saving for certain patients, depending on the course of the disease: It does affect the lung tissue and may then go on to affect blood or nervous system in addition. Some of the drugs that might help with a vascular system infection could also make an initial respiratory system infection more likely or more severe.

This makes sense.  It explains why doctors were also seeing patients with cerebral blood clots and the children having the toxic-shock symptoms.  It's all vascular.  Autopsies are showing those with affected lungs had pulmonary clotting.  This explains also why doctors initially thought that people with cardiovascular disease were more likely to die. 
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« Reply #2393 on: June 02, 2020, 04:00:20 PM »
Whene it was discovered that I have Factor V Leiden, I was put on warfarin.  This has since been changed to Clopidogrel and other things to help thin the blood. That might have been enough to get me on the particularly vulnerable register I suppose, but  I don't think it would have made much difference to the management of my life  since lockdown.
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« Reply #2394 on: June 02, 2020, 05:20:16 PM »
It would seem that the vote on whether to continue to have remote voting is then based on a physical vote so that those MPs who are shielding such as Robert Halfon are excluded. Another example of this govt being a fucking disgrace and illustration that Rees Mogg who is pushing this pisses on democracy.
And the queue for the 2nd vote is forming before the 1st cote is finished. This is a mockery.

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« Reply #2396 on: June 03, 2020, 08:09:39 AM »
This is a joke. You voted Tory you voted for this antidemocratic farce.


https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/mps-return-to-parliament-westminster-jacob-rees-mogg-virtual?fbclid=IwAR1QB0KVYrWYKN2ns5dy4AZ3cvpaRdw3brE1WJUpx79z_Tcl6-tpdsRF-fk

If some people who voted Tory can't get their heads around the fact that this Government has made a complete and disastrous mess of dealing with this pandemic, why on Earth do you think a few pesky MP's being denied their vote will matter to them?

To be clear it is a fucking disgrace.
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« Reply #2397 on: June 03, 2020, 10:10:43 AM »

 Appreciate that. The long recovery time will be when she gets home. The treatment of those with Covid 19 has been getting better over time. I hope that will help with your sister in law


I hope that this message is not going to grate on you or cause you any discomfort, but my sister-in-law was passed clear at her Doctor's appointment yesterday. She returns to her duties on Thursday!
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« Reply #2398 on: June 03, 2020, 10:38:56 AM »
I hope that this message is not going to grate on you or cause you any discomfort, but my sister-in-law was passed clear at her Doctor's appointment yesterday. She returns to her duties on Thursday!
Unsure why you might think that would cause me discomfort, it's great news! Hurrah.

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