Coronavirus

[Aruntraveller]

I'm glad you acknowledge the incomprehensible. Some don't. I wasn't screaming btw, neither was I sticking my fingers in my ears and not listening which some seem intent to do. We failed to learn from other countries which I find frustrating.

As to your previous post, I'm largely in agreement with that. The coding system, which I used to deal with at arms length thankfully, is not a precise tool. Your analysis of it cutting both ways in terms of reporting will not be far from the truth, imo.

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52935644

It is thought the virus was around earlier than first thought.

Our son-in-law, and possibly our grandson, had it in December, they had all the symptoms.

[Nearly Sane]

Ooft



https://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2020/06/david-gauke-johnson-will-regret-not-requiring-cummings-resignation.html

[SusanDoris]

JeremyP

Thank you for your new posts, level-headed and clear as usual.

[Aruntraveller]

JeremyP

Thank you for your new posts, level-headed and clear as usual.

What? Even when he called the PM a twat?

[Nearly Sane]

What? Even when he called the PM a twat?

Particularly that, I would have thought.

[SusanDoris]

Particularly that, I would have thought.

Cite a post where I have said I am a supporter of all that the PM does!!!

[Nearly Sane]

Cite a post where I have said I am a supporter of all that the PM does!!!

Cite a post where I said you were such a supporter.

[Udayana]

What would be the motive for the current situation. 
Do they? In my experience, they frequently try to cover their arses. It's particularly a problem if their job depend on it.

For that to work properly, you have to have a culture where people can adit to their mistakes and learn from them. In the case of a democratic government, that's problematic because you inevitably get pilloried for your mistakes.

For various reasons the UK electorate has elected an, essentially, corrupt group to power. They value their own fortunes way above the welfare of the people.   

The government has plenty of scientific advisors telling them what they should be doing. Probably they are getting conflicting advice even from these people. Why would they listen to random people on the Internet screaming at them?

Of-course. That is why governments have to act objectively: Putting aside their personal or political interests; maintain good, meritocratic, organisations in place; and switch tactics or strategies when things don't work out the way that was expected.

The government has made a lot of mistakes and it would be great if we could sit down after this and dispassionately analyse what went wrong and how to do it better next time, but too many people will have too much to lose for that to happen. And I'm not just talking about the political appointees. The civil service is also not up to the job and nor are parts of the NHS (I'm thinking of the procurement department here).

The civil service and NHS have been mismanaged since well before the Tory governments, but both have actually been under attack under them. In many ways every country gets the government it deserves, but now we have someone, Cummings - without a single vote, in prime position and set to pull the system down.
     

[Udayana]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52935644

It is thought the virus was around earlier than first thought.

Our son-in-law, and possibly our grandson, had it in December, they had all the symptoms.

Interesting article. We did know that the virus first infected humans in November but there is still so much we don't know about its progress through the population.

[Nearly Sane]

Of course

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/05/tory-mp-bob-seely-attended-lockdown-barbecue-with-journalists

[Roses]

Of course

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/05/tory-mp-bob-seely-attended-lockdown-barbecue-with-journalists

'Do as I say don't do as I do!'

[Nearly Sane]

Seeing some reports of scammers using the idea of track and trace to get money. They phone up say they have been given your name as having been in contact with someone, say that name is confidential, and ask for £500 for tracing kit claiming it to be a one off charge. As ever be careful
 

[Roses]

Seeing some reports of scammers using the idea of track and trace to get money. They phone up say they have been given your name as having been in contact with someone, say that name is confidential, and ask for £500 for tracing kit claiming it to be a one off charge. As ever be careful

Evil scum will latch onto anything to try to make money.

[Nearly Sane]

Feckin eejits

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-52947630

[Nearly Sane]

Used a cash machine for the first time in 9 weeks today.

[Robbie]

Nine weeks, gosh a long time. However I can't remember when i last used one. Since working from home everything has been bought online. It's nice to have a bit of cash though, isn't it.

[Udayana]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01685-y?utm_source=twt_nnc&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=naturenews

“Totally unreliable.” “A buggy mess.” Over the past month, software engineers have sharply criticized the code underpinning an influential coronavirus simulation by scientists at Imperial College London, one of several modelling exercises that helped sway UK politicians into declaring a lockdown. Some media articles even suggested that the simulation couldn’t be repeated by others — casting further doubt on the study. Now, a computational neuroscientist has reported that he has independently rerun the simulation and reproduced its results. And other scientists have told Nature that they had already privately verified that the code is reproducible.

The successful code testing isn’t a review of the scientific accuracy of the simulation, produced by a team led by mathematical epidemiologist Neil Ferguson. But it dispels some misapprehensions about the code, and shows that others can repeat the original findings.

[Spud]

Hungary has only had a few hundred deaths. Africa has not had that many deaths compared with the rest of the world. Japan has 126 million people, and its death toll so far is around 900, with around 16,000 cases of coronavirus. 93% live in cities, and there has been no lockdown, apart from schools closing. Why has the virus hit some countries so much harder than others? I still haven't found an answer to this. Hygiene standards? Better general health? Something to do with pollution?

[ekim]

....... or God's Will?

[Spud]

....... or God's Will?

I'm not thinking of that, in case you thought I was. I'm more interested in whether lockdown to the extent that it has been imposed was necessary (given the above Japanese stats).
The rules for Israel under Moses were that if someone showed signs and symptoms of a skin disease they were to isolate outside the camp for 7 days, and longer if the symptoms persisted. I can't recall any mention of people without symptoms having to isolate, but I might be wrong.

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52969679

I see the Government has dropped plans for primary school children in England to go back to school this term. Anyone with half a brain would realise trying to socially distance a classful of kids of that age is virtually impossible.

[Aruntraveller]

Hungary has only had a few hundred deaths. Africa has not had that many deaths compared with the rest of the world. Japan has 126 million people, and its death toll so far is around 900, with around 16,000 cases of coronavirus. 93% live in cities, and there has been no lockdown, apart from schools closing. Why has the virus hit some countries so much harder than others? I still haven't found an answer to this. Hygiene standards? Better general health? Something to do with pollution?

It will be multifactorial as you allude to - but two obvious things are that the Far East (generalising) are much more likely at a societal level to comply with rules laid down and are much more used to wearing masks which if adopted over a whole society makes transmission that much more difficult.

[Spud]

It will be multifactorial as you allude to - but two obvious things are that the Far East (generalising) are much more likely at a societal level to comply with rules laid down and are much more used to wearing masks which if adopted over a whole society makes transmission that much more difficult.

True. But I think our lockdown has been pretty well observed. Japan's government advised everybody to avoid closed spaces, crowded places, and close-contact settings (The three C's). That makes sense to me, and I would say the home is a closed space, unless windows kept open.

[Nearly Sane]

True. But I think our lockdown has been pretty well observed. Japan's government advised everybody to avoid closed spaces, crowded places, and close-contact settings (The three C's). That makes sense to me, and I would say the home is a closed space, unless windows kept open.

They also required people to self quarantine though when arriving in the country at an early stage - we still don't