Coronavirus

[Nearly Sane]

And people accuse the government of not being consistent 

I phrased it that way and put in in inverted commas as writing the UK govt making statements that only apply in England is a bit cumbersome.

[Aruntraveller]

I got that. I simply meant the govt (Johnson's) are consistent in their inconsistency.

We may be talking at cross purposes or I simply misunderstood. Lack of sleep. Woken up by rain and then slaughter of pigeon by fox and couldn't get back to sleep.

[Nearly Sane]

I got that. I simply meant the govt (Johnson's) are consistent in their inconsistency.

We may be talking at cross purposes or I simply misunderstood. Lack of sleep. Woken up by rain and then slaughter of pigeon by fox and couldn't get back to sleep.

I was just conscious that the phrase isn't a normal one to use so was worried that I hadn't been clear.I could happily have stayed in bed this morning.

[ad_orientem]

If true then good grief!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/12/us/30-year-old-covid-party-death.html

[Roses]

If true then good grief!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/12/us/30-year-old-covid-party-death.html

CRAZY!

[Gordon]

Scientist takes his opportunity.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/16/tired-of-being-boris-johnsons-patsy-patrick-vallance-fights-back

[Nearly Sane]

Lovely socially distanced evening with partner and 2 friends at the Glasgow branch of the Scottish Malt Whisky Society. Great service, great whisky (including maybe the finest dram I have ever tasted), and great company.

[jeremyp]

I've seen around 15% not wearing. There are, of course, some exemptions but not convinced all the people I saw were on the list. I do find the message coming out from the 'English' govt confusing.

Not confusing, but the timing is inexplicable. If face masks are effective, they should have been mandated as soon as the supply for health workers was secure. If not, why are we doing this at all?

[jeremyp]

I've seen around 15% not wearing. There are, of course, some exemptions but not convinced all the people I saw were on the list. I do find the message coming out from the 'English' govt confusing.

Oh, and if you want confusing. Try this:

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-phase-3-staying-safe-and-protecting-others/pages/seeing-friends-and-family/

[Spud]

"Britain may have already achieved a sufficient level of herd immunity to prevent a second wave of Covid-19, an Oxford University study has suggested" - Today's Telegraph.
Immunity developed to seasonal coronaviruses such as the common cold may also prevent infection with Covid-19.

[Spud]

Was speaking to a guy on the allotments who thinks that higher levels of sunlight in the summer, and consequent boost in vitamin D manufacture in the skin, could have helped reduce the number of infections, since low levels of vit D have been associated with more frequent respiratory infections.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

"Britain may have already achieved a sufficient level of herd immunity to prevent a second wave of Covid-19, an Oxford University study has suggested" - Today's Telegraph.
Immunity developed to seasonal coronaviruses such as the common cold may also prevent infection with Covid-19.

That's fucking bollocks. Just because Tories own land and herds and are sneaky, thick and rich doesn't mean I shouldn't get on my high horse when they refer to British people as a herd.

People should be taken to the courts of human rights for suggesting the unleashing of a lethal pathogen on a population. Herd fucking immunity indeed.

[jeremyp]

"Britain may have already achieved a sufficient level of herd immunity to prevent a second wave of Covid-19, an Oxford University study has suggested" - Today's Telegraph.

I'll be taking that with a pinch of salt for now.

Immunity developed to seasonal coronaviruses such as the common cold may also prevent infection with Covid-19.

That's good news because we are all immune to the common cold...

... oh wait. One of the distinctive points about the common cold is that we are not immune to it.

[jeremyp]

That's fucking bollocks. Just because Tories own land and herds and are sneaky, thick and rich doesn't mean I shouldn't get on my high horse when they refer to British people as a herd.

People should be taken to the courts of human rights for suggesting the unleashing of a lethal pathogen on a population. Herd fucking immunity indeed.

"Herd immunity" is the common accepted term for when enough people have immunity to a disease that it can't spread. It wasn't invented for coronavirus.

[Roses]

"Britain may have already achieved a sufficient level of herd immunity to prevent a second wave of Covid-19, an Oxford University study has suggested" - Today's Telegraph.
Immunity developed to seasonal coronaviruses such as the common cold may also prevent infection with Covid-19.

Since when have people been immune to the common cold?

[Anchorman]

Was speaking to a guy on the allotments who thinks that higher levels of sunlight in the summer, and consequent boost in vitamin D manufacture in the skin, could have helped reduce the number of infections, since low levels of vit D have been associated with more frequent respiratory infections.

   




Tell that to the folk in Texas, Arizona, Yemen, India, Brazil...........

[jeremyp]

Was speaking to a guy on the allotments who thinks that higher levels of sunlight in the summer, and consequent boost in vitamin D manufacture in the skin, could have helped reduce the number of infections, since low levels of vit D have been associated with more frequent respiratory infections.

Check out which states in the USA are currently the hardest hit. Florida, Arizona, Texas all have out of control growth in cases.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

"Herd immunity" is the common accepted term for when enough people have immunity to a disease that it can't spread. It wasn't invented for coronavirus.

Sorry to be so PC.
In natural conditions i.e. without the use of vaccines I understand that lots of the herd die of whatever it is in the establishment of herd immunity. My appeal that those who advocated it without a vaccine stand trial stands

[jeremyp]

I understand that lots of the herd die of whatever it is in the establishment of herd immunity.

That depends on the mortality rate of the disease. The mortality rate of COVID19 is said to be about 1% of those who catch it. The herd immunity level is supposed to be around 60% (compare measles, which is much more infectious at around 95%).

You can do the maths for the UK of approximately 68 million people.

To achieve herd immunity, you would need 68 million x 60% = 40 million (approx) to have had the disease. If 1% of them die, that's 400,000 deaths in the UK to achieve herd immunity. That's just the people who would have died of COVID19. There would be quite a lot of collateral damage including, for example, people who needed intensive care for other reasons but who couldn't get into hospital.

Then you have to consider what 400,000 extra deaths over a few months would look like. It would be the right time to buy shares in crematoria and cold storage facilities.

And the punch line is, of course, we don't know if herd immunity is even possible with this disease. There's no herd immunity for the common cold or influenza.

[Spud]

   




Tell that to the folk in Texas, Arizona, Yemen, India, Brazil...........

All of which currently have 12-14 hours daylight, compared to our 17-18.

[Spud]

I'll be taking that with a pinch of salt for now.
That's good news because we are all immune to the common cold...

... oh wait. One of the distinctive points about the common cold is that we are not immune to it.

We pick up many cold viruses each year. Depending on various factors, our immune systems either kill them before succumbing to an infection, or we succumb and get the symptoms before eventually killing it off. So we are frequently developing immunity to coronaviruses, such as the common cold, even if we aren't fully conscious of them. That immunity may be effective against Covid-19, the article said (I didn't read it all).

[Roses]

We pick up many cold viruses each year. Depending on various factors, our immune systems either kill them before succumbing to an infection, or we succumb and get the symptoms before eventually killing it off. So we are frequently developing immunity to coronaviruses, such as the common cold, even if we aren't fully conscious of them. That immunity may be effective against Covid-19, the article said (I didn't read it all).

Your post is complete nonsense!

[Sebastian Toe]

All of which currently have 12-14 hours daylight, compared to our 17-18.

Does everybody get up at daybreak and go to bed at dusk?

[Nearly Sane]

Not confusing, but the timing is inexplicable. If face masks are effective, they should have been mandated as soon as the supply for health workers was secure. If not, why are we doing this at all?

it's not confusing now in terms of shops but on the 13th when I wrote this it was, with it being up to common sense, or not.

[Nearly Sane]

Oh, and if you want confusing. Try this:

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-phase-3-staying-safe-and-protecting-others/pages/seeing-friends-and-family/

I think you are mixing up detailed for complex situations to the confusion about what the 'English' govt was saying about masks in shops on the 13th of July, and indulging in whataboutery.