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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3000 on: September 01, 2020, 10:09:03 AM »
Very droll, but this is a classic example of generalising from a single instance. If I did that, you'd be down on me within minutes.
What generalizing is there in my post?

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3001 on: September 01, 2020, 10:10:44 AM »
Very droll, but this is a classic example of generalising from a single instance. If I did that, you'd be down on me within minutes.

I think the main bizarreness is somebody who has already died from COVID19 is tweeting it's not that deadly.
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« Reply #3002 on: September 01, 2020, 10:42:05 AM »
What generalizing is there in my post?
The implication that Coronavirus is indeed as deadly as is claimed, because someone who denied it died from it. It's ironic, but t proves nothing either way.
I once tried using "chicken" as a password, but was told it must contain a capital so I tried "chickenkiev"
On another occasion, I tried "beefstew", but was told it wasn't stroganoff.

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« Reply #3003 on: September 01, 2020, 10:45:01 AM »
The implication that Coronavirus is indeed as deadly as is claimed, because someone who denied it died from it. It's ironic, but t proves nothing either way.
I didn't make any such generalization. I was just noting that the tweet from the dead was bizarre.

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« Reply #3004 on: September 01, 2020, 10:55:12 AM »
I didn't make any such generalization. I was just noting that the tweet from the dead was bizarre.
Yeah, right. Have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything whatsoever?
I once tried using "chicken" as a password, but was told it must contain a capital so I tried "chickenkiev"
On another occasion, I tried "beefstew", but was told it wasn't stroganoff.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3005 on: September 01, 2020, 11:00:22 AM »
Yeah, right. Have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything whatsoever?
Yep, frequently. I am struggling to see your point here. Don't you think that the tweet from the dead was bizarre?

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« Reply #3006 on: September 01, 2020, 11:10:48 AM »
Yep, frequently. I am struggling to see your point here. Don't you think that the tweet from the dead was bizarre?

Totally freaky! :o
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« Reply #3007 on: September 01, 2020, 02:32:52 PM »
I would find it interesting to know the average figures of deaths that would be expected in normal times compared to the figures we now have that would include death rates over this blasted coronavirus period and be able to see how much they have differed over the course of the shutdown?

Perhaps one of the more resourceful contributors to the forum knows where to find these figures if they have already been presented somewhere else?

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3008 on: September 01, 2020, 02:45:03 PM »
I would find it interesting to know the average figures of deaths that would be expected in normal times compared to the figures we now have that would include death rates over this blasted coronavirus period and be able to see how much they have differed over the course of the shutdown?

Perhaps one of the more resourceful contributors to the forum knows where to find these figures if they have already been presented somewhere else?

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https://www.theactuary.com/2020/08/19/excess-deaths-england-and-wales-continue-fall

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3009 on: September 01, 2020, 02:52:11 PM »
I would find it interesting to know the average figures of deaths that would be expected in normal times compared to the figures we now have that would include death rates over this blasted coronavirus period and be able to see how much they have differed over the course of the shutdown?

Perhaps one of the more resourceful contributors to the forum knows where to find these figures if they have already been presented somewhere else?

ippy

The ONS produces a weekly report based on death certificates. They explicitly compare deaths against the five year average between 2014 and 2019. This week's report also has a comparison of COVID19 and influenza and pneumonia.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending14august2020

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3010 on: September 01, 2020, 06:59:36 PM »

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3011 on: September 02, 2020, 10:22:27 AM »
Are any of this forum's Scottish members facing these restrictions?
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« Reply #3012 on: September 02, 2020, 10:36:33 AM »
Yep

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3015 on: September 08, 2020, 04:01:45 PM »
The doorbell rang, so I went to the front room window and opened it (much quicker than trying to find thkey and put it in the lock and open the door) and the man who was there stepped towards it. I cannot see who people are, cannot see any identifying label they are wearing, cannot see if they are wearing a mask or not, can only hear what they are saying with my hearing aids in (:))  !!

'We're not trying to sell anything,' he said, 'we're just asking four questions. '

First question: 'Do you know who supplies your electricity?'

No thank you, I said, that's quite enough.

My neighbour, who could see who was ringing the doorbell, ignored it and apparently he was wearing a face shiield, but I wish that kind of caller would just stay away.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3016 on: September 09, 2020, 12:09:58 PM »
If there is a cluster of cases arising from the Doncaster race meet, will Dido Harding be very annoyed at Dido Harding?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/horse-racing/54084761
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« Reply #3017 on: September 09, 2020, 02:25:11 PM »
My brother and sister in law, having returned from a holiday in France are in quarantine for 14 days. Fortunately they both have jobs that allow them to work from home.

Anyway, somebody in their organisation (not either of them) decided to go out shopping while they were in quarantine. Their mobile phone rang and the conversation went something like this:

"Hello, we are just following up on quarantines. Are you at home right now?"

"Yes"

"OK, do you mind coming to the door so we can do a swab test?"

Fined twice over: once for breaking quarantine and once for lying about it to the police.
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« Reply #3018 on: September 09, 2020, 03:13:34 PM »
My brother and sister in law, having returned from a holiday in France are in quarantine for 14 days. Fortunately they both have jobs that allow them to work from home.

Anyway, somebody in their organisation (not either of them) decided to go out shopping while they were in quarantine. Their mobile phone rang and the conversation went something like this:

"Hello, we are just following up on quarantines. Are you at home right now?"

"Yes"

"OK, do you mind coming to the door so we can do a swab test?"

Fined twice over: once for breaking quarantine and once for lying about it to the police.

Good. Selfish attitude.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3019 on: September 10, 2020, 02:24:51 PM »
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« Reply #3020 on: September 10, 2020, 02:34:24 PM »
How long is it going to be before someone realises in the tory party that he,Johnson is the existential threat to toryism.

The Basic premise of Cummingsism promote rule by fomenting anarchy is flawed isn't it.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3021 on: September 12, 2020, 12:44:39 PM »
Found this on the Book of Face - worth reading:

Quote From Dr. Fauci:

“Chickenpox is a virus. Lots of people have had it, and probably don't think about it much once the initial illness has passed. But it stays in your body and lives there forever, and maybe when you're older, you have debilitatingly painful outbreaks of shingles. You don't just get over this virus in a few weeks, never to have another health effect. We know this because it's been around for years, and has been studied medically for years.
Herpes is also a virus. And once someone has it, it stays in your body and lives there forever, and anytime they get a little run down or stressed-out they're going to have an outbreak. Maybe every time you have a big event coming up (school pictures, job interview, big date) you're going to get a cold sore. For the rest of your life. You don't just get over it in a few weeks. We know this because it's been around for years, and been studied medically for years.
HIV is a virus. It attacks the immune system and makes the carrier far more vulnerable to other illnesses. It has a list of symptoms and negative health impacts that goes on and on. It was decades before viable treatments were developed that allowed people to live with a reasonable quality of life. Once you have it, it lives in your body forever and there is no cure. Over time, that takes a toll on the body, putting people living with HIV at greater risk for health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, bone disease, liver disease, cognitive disorders, and some types of cancer. We know this because it has been around for years, and had been studied medically for years.
Now with COVID-19, we have a novel virus that spreads rapidly and easily. The full spectrum of symptoms and health effects is only just beginning to be cataloged, much less understood.
So far the symptoms may include:
Fever
Fatigue
Coughing
Pneumonia
Chills/Trembling
Acute respiratory distress
Lung damage (potentially permanent)
Loss of taste (a neurological symptom)
Sore throat
Headaches
Difficulty breathing
Mental confusion
Diarrhea
Nausea or vomiting
Loss of appetite
Strokes have also been reported in some people who have COVID-19 (even in the relatively young)
Swollen eyes
Blood clots
Seizures
Liver damage
Kidney damage
Rash
COVID toes (weird, right?)
People testing positive for COVID-19 have been documented to be sick even after 60 days. Many people are sick for weeks, get better, and then experience a rapid and sudden flare up and get sick all over again. A man in Seattle was hospitalized for 62 days, and while well enough to be released, still has a long road of recovery ahead of him. Not to mention a $1.1 million medical bill.
Then there is MIS-C. Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a condition where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. Children with MIS-C may have a fever and various symptoms, including abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, neck pain, rash, bloodshot eyes, or feeling extra tired. While rare, it has caused deaths.
This disease has not been around for years. It has basically been 6 months. No one knows yet the long-term health effects, or how it may present itself years down the road for people who have been exposed. We literally *do not know* what we do not know.
For those in our society who suggest that people being cautious are cowards, for people who refuse to take even the simplest of precautions to protect themselves and those around them, I want to ask, without hyperbole and in all sincerity:
How dare you?
How dare you risk the lives of others so cavalierly. How dare you decide for others that they should welcome exposure as "getting it over with", when literally no one knows who will be the lucky "mild symptoms" case, and who may fall ill and die. Because while we know that some people are more susceptible to suffering a more serious case, we also know that 20 and 30-year-olds have died, marathon runners and fitness nuts have died, children and infants have died.
How dare you behave as though you know more than medical experts, when those same experts acknowledge that there is so much we don't yet know, but with what we DO know, are smart enough to be scared of how easily this is spread, and recommend baseline precautions such as:
Frequent hand-washing
Physical distancing
Reduced social/public contact or interaction
Mask wearing
Covering your cough or sneeze
Avoiding touching your face
Sanitizing frequently touched surfaces
The more things we can all do to mitigate our risk of exposure, the better off we all are, in my opinion. Not only does it flatten the curve and allow health care providers to maintain levels of service that aren't immediately and catastrophically overwhelmed; it also reduces unnecessary suffering and deaths, and buys time for the scientific community to study the virus in order to come to a more full understanding of the breadth of its impacts in both the short and long term.
I reject the notion that it's "just a virus" and we'll all get it eventually. What a careless, lazy, heartless stance.”
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