Coronavirus

[ProfessorDavey]

I agree with most of that but it doesn't impact on my belief that the current piecemeal lockdowns are an overreaction.  The impacts and costs are not just financial, and in not learning to live with Covid we simply continue to ignore those costs.

What does 'learning to live with with Covid' mean in your view NS.

To me that is exactly what we are doing at the moment - flexing restrictions to keep the virus from running completely out of control, overwhelming the ability of the health service to cope and leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths. We are not getting it right all the time, and given that we are in a new exponential growth phase those restrictions need to be pretty stringent - in my view more so than they are at the moment, certainly at national level.

[Sriram]

Learning to live with Covid19 is not quite the same as living with flu or measles or dengue.  These infections are nowhere as infectious or as deadly as Covid19.

If a person gets flu or measles, the person is relatively isolated, lies in bed for a week or 10 days and gets well again. Everyone else else goes about their business.

But with Covid it is different. Everyone else could be infected and could face potentially life threatening situations.

Even with vaccines, unless some form of an effective treatment and medication is found to reduce the intensity of covid...'living with it' is going to be very difficult.

[Nearly Sane]

In it together....


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/parliament-s-bars-exempt-from-10pm-coronavirus-curfew-wb6g6bbgp

[jeremyp]

Learning to live with Covid19 is not quite the same as living with flu or measles or dengue.  These infections are nowhere as infectious or as deadly as Covid19.

Measles is far more infectious than COVID19. It's R₀ is somewhere between 12 and 18 apparently. It's also pretty lethal in some places, for example it kills a lot more people in Africa than ebola. If everybody in the UK lost their immunity, measles would instantly sweep across the country and probably kill 30 - 60 thousand people.

If a person gets flu or measles, the person is relatively isolated, lies in bed for a week or 10 days and gets well again. Everyone else else goes about their business.

Everybody doesn't get well again. If we allowed it to, measles would kill one person in about two thousand patients in the UK. Flu does kill between 10 and 30 thousand people each year in the UK.

[Nearly Sane]

Ffs!


https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-mp-margaret-ferrier-apologises-after-ignoring-coronavirus-rules-and-travelling-parliament-2990115

[Nearly Sane]

Ffs!


https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-mp-margaret-ferrier-apologises-after-ignoring-coronavirus-rules-and-travelling-parliament-2990115

Apparently the SNP have suspended her - points.

[jeremyp]

Ffs!


https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-mp-margaret-ferrier-apologises-after-ignoring-coronavirus-rules-and-travelling-parliament-2990115

Also Boris's Dad and Jeremy Corbyn.

[Nearly Sane]

Also Boris's Dad and Jeremy Corbyn.

Corbyn should be suspended. Elder Johnson should be fined but it isn't the same.

[jeremyp]

Corbyn should be suspended. Elder Johnson should be fined but it isn't the same.

No, I didn't mean to imply I thought they were as serious as standing up and giving a speech in the H of C when you believe you have COVID19, but they still both broke the rules even though they should have known better.

[Nearly Sane]

No, I didn't mean to imply I thought they were as serious as standing up and giving a speech in the H of C when you believe you have COVID19, but they still both broke the rules even though they should have known better.

Corbyn should be suspended by the Labour Party because they have supported the decisions on 'lockdown'. It isn't just a matter of personal hypocrisy. Stanley Johnson isn't an MP so whatever happens is different.

[jeremyp]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54381848

This qualifies for three threads. I’ll post it here for now.

Trump has tested positive.

[Nearly Sane]

Nicola urges Ferrier to resign. Good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54383281

[Nearly Sane]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54381848

This qualifies for three threads. I’ll post it here for now.

Trump has tested positive.

Local newspaper the Ayr Advertiser's take

https://www.ayradvertiser.com/news/18765053.turnberry-hotelier-president-trump-tests-positive-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR0L62LPY2zE3ln9mO9y9AmtgXMqJpA8JvkO9nNI80l37FvuaaH_TGkESqU

[Aruntraveller]

It's all sorted I've sent a bottle of bleach by courier.

[SusanDoris]

It's all sorted I've sent a bottle of bleach by courier.

Nice one!

[Aruntraveller]

Seen elsewhere:

*RBG has just won her first oral argument with God!*

[Aruntraveller]

Newsflash: Trump reportedly moved to a medical facility.

[SteveH]

Newsflash: Trump reportedly moved to a medical facility.

He's going to have a wisdom tooth put in.

[Aruntraveller]

He's going to have a wisdom tooth put in.

Badum tish 

[Nearly Sane]

Cineworld closing its cinemas 'temporarily'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54407213?at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_campaign=64&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=645DF140-0619-11EB-9DE3-609B4744363C

[ad_orientem]

Bars over here to close early again. Probably the rght move. Over the whole country they have to close at 12pm but in the worst affected areas, where I live, 10pm . Now it's recommended that masks are used in all public places. I was exposed to the virus recently but luckily never got any symptoms.

[ippy]

Learning to live with Covid19 is not quite the same as living with flu or measles or dengue.  These infections are nowhere as infectious or as deadly as Covid19.

If a person gets flu or measles, the person is relatively isolated, lies in bed for a week or 10 days and gets well again. Everyone else else goes about their business.

But with Covid it is different. Everyone else could be infected and could face potentially life threatening situations.

Even with vaccines, unless some form of an effective treatment and medication is found to reduce the intensity of covid...'living with it' is going to be very difficult.

I totally agree with you on this Sriram, trouble is there's a lot of brain dead walking around out there.

I'll take it as a given it's the same in all countries.

Regards, ippy.

[Nearly Sane]

So much of the news makes it difficult to work out which one of 3 pinned threads to place it on. But anyway arse! I think Margaret Ferrier should stand down as MP as do many Tories - I will wait for them to suggest Trump should rescind standing..
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-didnt-disclose-first-positive-covid-19-test-while-awaiting-a-second-test-on-thursday-11601844813?fbclid=IwAR1zkDsnL8uqcCi7-vfr3BoDCqovqcxA7SgF9Q5HJHEyVi-Y3_ovSSGfnSc

[Nearly Sane]

Serco Test and Trace


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nearly-16000-new-covid-19-cases-added-to-total-after-technical-glitch-12090306

[jeremyp]

Serco Test and Trace


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nearly-16000-new-covid-19-cases-added-to-total-after-technical-glitch-12090306

Ha ha. Yes, I saw that. Also

https://twitter.com/MichaelTakeMP/status/1313018963404693506

I see leftist cynics wanting to sack #DidoHarding over the technical glitch concerning the 16,000 #Covid19 cases that went missing & could not be traced.
The #SercoTestAndTrace system is still in its infancy. Glitches will happen.
Moaning doesn’t help in the battle against Covid!

I'm not so much bothered about the 16,000 tests that weren't added on to the total as soon as they could be (which is just a glitch), but I am concerned that the Test and Trace system is still in its "infancy" or, more correctly, that this MP thinks it is acceptable that the Test and Trace system is still in its infancy, seven months after the pandemic started.