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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3375 on: November 06, 2020, 05:01:11 PM »

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3377 on: November 06, 2020, 09:13:01 PM »
JeremyP and Nearly Sane, I agree that the government panicked and then introduced this second lockdown. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I think any party in government at this unprecedented time would be in a similar position.

SusanDoris, I think the MP in your link has it spot-on here: "The choice presented to Parliament by the demands of the scientists for a lockdown (given the circumstances ‘demands’ seems a more appropriate term than ‘advice’) was between the lesser of two evils: the possibility of the NHS being temporarily overwhelmed; as against the certainty of ruined businesses, lost livelihoods, enormous borrowings to be repaid, and shorter lives resulting from the economic damage.
Given the debunking of the ‘project fear’ graphs produced by the chiefs last weekend, it seemed to me that the risk of the NHS being overwhelmed was overstated."

Beyoncé Castle, the problem regarding buying clothes and shoes on-line is not everyone has access to the internet. It does seem ridiculous, as someone mentioned, that supermarkets can sell clothes and shoes but clothes and shoe shops have had to close.

Then there is the incident of trying to fence-in students at Manchester University for their protection.

When you stop and look at some of this craziness it really is non-sense.
 

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3378 on: November 07, 2020, 04:16:14 PM »
Rees Mogg is an eejit


https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/rees-mogg-accuses-shielding-mps-of-shirking-their-duty-by-working-from-home/
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3380 on: November 08, 2020, 12:54:53 PM »
More hmm....


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vaccine-tsar-kate-bingham-runs-up-670-000-pr-bill-sjxmrz2bx

The whole thing looks like a waste of money but this sentence:

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It means each consultant is on the equivalent of £167,000 a year

is false. Given the numbers, what is probably happening is that the consulting firm is being paid about £800 per day for each consultant. In my industry, that would be a good rate but not exorbitant. The consultant would expect to take home about one third of that depending on whether the rate includes or excludes expenses.

It's probable that the government is paying a fair market rate for them, if these people are essential to getting the job done. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they are.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3381 on: November 08, 2020, 01:05:42 PM »
JeremyP and Nearly Sane, I agree that the government panicked and then introduced this second lockdown. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I think any party in government at this unprecedented time would be in a similar position.
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We've known from the start that lockdowns would be problematic and could not be tolerated for long periods. The need for further lockdowns was also predicted. Obviously, these would depend on the effectiveness of the first, and the development of effective test+trace, vaccines, treatments and some kind of shielding system. 

The government was pushed into the current 4-week "break" as they ignored all advice or suggestions that would have enabled an earlier, shorter one. So, we have once again ended up  with a panic measure with all the associated inconsistencies, errors and unneeded hardship. 

I think they should be planning now for one in Jan or Feb. If we don't need it then or can apply one on a regional basis, fine - we can do that - as long as we are prepared. In between lockdowns we can maintain some semblance of normality.
 
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3382 on: November 09, 2020, 05:15:10 PM »
Well this is a cheerier press conference, and it's helped Johnson sound a bit more coherent.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3383 on: November 10, 2020, 12:07:56 PM »
 A Level exams cancelled in Wales for 2021 - will be marked by course assessment. Feels like the right decision made at the right time


 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54888376

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3384 on: November 10, 2020, 12:13:09 PM »
A Level exams cancelled in Wales for 2021 - will be marked by course assessment. Feels like the right decision made at the right time


 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54888376
Wrong decision.

In fact, it is clear from the fiasco that ensued, it would have been better to hold the exams last year too.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3385 on: November 10, 2020, 01:45:51 PM »
When conspiracy nuts start spouting their bollocks, the best answer is "That's what they want you to think".

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3386 on: November 10, 2020, 05:51:04 PM »
Cancellations in the Women's Rugby 6 Nations because of the Covid restrictions. Can only think this will be repeated in other sports.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54887172

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3387 on: November 10, 2020, 09:38:59 PM »
Wrong decision.

In fact, it is clear from the fiasco that ensued, it would have been better to hold the exams last year too.
I think this is a logical error that the fiasco was not taking into account the impact of decision last time so that applies this time.
 There were many people calling that issue out as needing understanding and dealing with. That those decisions were badly handled is a hindsight ad consequentiam, but then you are arguing that no change can be made to what happened.

This is giving some certainty to the students now rather than waiting, and allows for the mess before to be avoided.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3388 on: November 11, 2020, 05:17:22 PM »
I think this is a logical error that the fiasco was not taking into account the impact of decision last time so that applies this time.
 There were many people calling that issue out as needing understanding and dealing with. That those decisions were badly handled is a hindsight ad consequentiam, but then you are arguing that no change can be made to what happened.

This is giving some certainty to the students now rather than waiting, and allows for the mess before to be avoided.

There was no good reason o cancel the exams last time. It was just panic. And that's what happened in Wales this time.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3389 on: November 12, 2020, 09:24:43 AM »
Cheerier headline than the details merit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54914410

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3390 on: November 12, 2020, 09:48:03 AM »
Cheerier headline than the details merit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54914410

A ludicrous headline. Not sure all those people losing their jobs will find much cheer in this.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3391 on: November 12, 2020, 11:12:29 AM »
Cheerier headline than the details merit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54914410

Excellent news. As long as we can maintain the growth and not have another lockdown in the fourth quarter...

... oh.

Actually, there is one aspect in which it is quite good news. It seems like, given relaxation of the social distancing rules, the economy will recover. Thus, if the vaccine(s) work, we will not be facing a long depression.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3392 on: November 12, 2020, 11:20:06 AM »
Excellent news. As long as we can maintain the growth and not have another lockdown in the fourth quarter...

... oh.

Actually, there is one aspect in which it is quite good news. It seems like, given relaxation of the social distancing rules, the economy will recover. Thus, if the vaccine(s) work, we will not be facing a long depression.
Probably not the best time to be leaving a major trading block with no deal though.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3393 on: November 12, 2020, 11:26:52 AM »
Probably not the best time to be leaving a major trading block with no deal though.

Don't be so downhearted. Leaving the EU gives us lots of opportunities to do trade deals with countries that would definitely prioritise us because they've got nothing else to worry about. Take the USA, for instance, there's no pandemic there and the president will definitely do the greatest trade deal in the World with us as soon as he starts his second term...

... oh.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3395 on: November 12, 2020, 07:29:19 PM »

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3396 on: November 12, 2020, 10:01:18 PM »
MP with cancer not able to take part in debate on cancer because Rees Mogg is a prick.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-12/u-k-lawmaker-with-cancer-excluded-from-debate-on-cancer
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3397 on: November 15, 2020, 02:21:49 PM »
Our youngest daughter has just phoned to say that her son 14 and daughter 12 are having to self isolate as children in their classes have got the virus! Fortunately for us we have only been in contact with them by phone for quite a while.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3399 on: November 15, 2020, 07:30:44 PM »
Well that went well....

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/11/11/seadream-yacht-club-ends-first-caribbean-cruise-after-positive-test/6253380002/
Honestly, I thought the cruise industry was finished even with the end of the pandemic. To take a cruise now is crazy.
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