Coronavirus

[Nearly Sane]

And  time for a bit of humble pie, from the BBCs live covid feed

'Germany looking into delaying second vaccine dose - report

Germany is seeking advice on whether to delay giving the second dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine to make supplies go further, in a similar move to the UK, according to a document seen by the Reuters news agency.

The country's health ministry has asked an independent vaccination commission for its opinion on administering the second shot later than 42 days after the first.'

So the UK govt was ahead of a trend, though perhaps needed to manage the message better 

[Nearly Sane]

Thread from Jeremy Hunt.


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1346063563450888192.html

[Nearly Sane]

And the new rules across mainland Scotland


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55531069

[Udayana]

And  time for a bit of humble pie, from the BBCs live covid feed

'Germany looking into delaying second vaccine dose - report

Germany is seeking advice on whether to delay giving the second dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine to make supplies go further, in a similar move to the UK, according to a document seen by the Reuters news agency.

The country's health ministry has asked an independent vaccination commission for its opinion on administering the second shot later than 42 days after the first.'

So the UK govt was ahead of a trend, though perhaps needed to manage the message better

Yes, of-course all countries have to consider these strategies as vaccine supply is limited. But the fact remains that there has not been time to test the longer delays between doses, which, in theory, might even be more effective. It is operating in the dark.

It must be recognised that the decision is being taken on a pragmatic and political basis, not a scientific one. That Germany or other countries may take the same path increases the risks, not vindicate risks already being taken.

Modellers have suggested that increasing the period to the 2nd dose to 12 weeks could save around 6000 UK lives. On the other hand, there is an unknown probability and cost of variants of this slippery virus escaping the vaccines.

[Outrider]

Yes, of-course all countries have to consider these strategies as vaccine supply is limited. But the fact remains that there has not been time to test the longer delays between doses, which, in theory, might even be more effective. It is operating in the dark.

It must be recognised that the decision is being taken on a pragmatic and political basis, not a scientific one. That Germany or other countries may take the same path increases the risks, not vindicate risks already being taken.

Modellers have suggested that increasing the period to the 2nd dose to 12 weeks could save around 6000 UK lives. On the other hand, there is an unknown probability and cost of variants of this slippery virus escaping the vaccines.

But it does suggest that the move isn't the 'reckless' idea that some have suggested, but rather an appropriate if somewhat desperate measure that a range of political appointees would take under the same constraints.  It doesn't validate the science, but it does support the idea that it's an appropriate way forward under the circumstances.

O.

[Udayana]

But it does suggest that the move isn't the 'reckless' idea that some have suggested, but rather an appropriate if somewhat desperate measure that a range of political appointees would take under the same constraints.  It doesn't validate the science, but it does support the idea that it's an appropriate way forward under the circumstances.

O.

Agreed, (though I did earlier say it was reckless!). But, so far, not impressed by returns from the other 'bets' taken so far.
 

[Nearly Sane]

'After Tier 5, Tier 6 is martial law, Tier 7 is a planned cull, Tier 8 is a cull but just at random, Tier 9 is Protect & Survive, Tier 10 is the Four Horsemen, Tier 11 is The Rapture, Tier 12 is there is no Rapture, idiots & Tier 13 is Eat Out To Help Out but only at Wetherspoon's'

[Anchorman]

'After Tier 5, Tier 6 is martial law, Tier 7 is a planned cull, Tier 8 is a cull but just at random, Tier 9 is Protect & Survive, Tier 10 is the Four Horsemen, Tier 11 is The Rapture, Tier 12 is there is no Rapture, idiots & Tier 13 is Eat Out To Help Out but only at Wetherspoon's'

   


Which one involves emotional cerebro-spinal fluid?

[jeremyp]

And  time for a bit of humble pie, from the BBCs live covid feed

'Germany looking into delaying second vaccine dose - report

Germany is seeking advice on whether to delay giving the second dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine to make supplies go further, in a similar move to the UK, according to a document seen by the Reuters news agency.

The country's health ministry has asked an independent vaccination commission for its opinion on administering the second shot later than 42 days after the first.'

So the UK govt was ahead of a trend, though perhaps needed to manage the message better

Germany is "seeking advice". i.e. asking if it is a good idea. They haven't jumped right in yet.

[Roses]

   


Which one involves emotional cerebro-spinal fluid?

 

[Nearly Sane]

'MP Margaret Ferrier arrested and charged with culpable and reckless conduct over her journey between Scotland and the Commons after taking Covid test'


At last

[Harrowby Hall]

   
Which one involves emotional cerebro-spinal fluid?

Don't you mean accurate emotional cerebro-spinal fluid?

[Nearly Sane]

So we send 3 million children to school for 1 day 10 days after a relaxation on mixing and then close the schools. Hmmmm....

[Nearly Sane]

'Starting to wonder if the Govt is in the pocket of Big Pyjama'

[Dicky Underpants]

Don't you mean accurate emotional cerebro-spinal fluid?

"Righteous accurate emotional  cerebro-spinal fluid".

[Gordon]

"Righteous accurate emotional  cerebro-spinal fluid".

With added 'Dynamism'.

[Nearly Sane]

If the case is the trip wasn't approved I hope Celtic get the library thrown at them



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55535738

[Anchorman]

With added 'Dynamism'.

Only if it's sprinkled with hormones from a black hole, obviously.

[Anchorman]

If the case is the trip wasn't approved I hope Celtic get the library thrown at them



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55535738

   


Idiots.
The club should be fined and the team forced to self isolate for ten days, forfieting any games as a result.
(And I favour Celtic, nominally, at least)

[Nearly Sane]

   


Idiots.
The club should be fined and the team forced to self isolate for ten days, forfieting any games as a result.
(And I favour Celtic, nominally, at least)

Even if it were approved, it's completely tone deaf. After Bolingoli acted as he did, link below, , you'd think that they might consider what this looks like. If it was approved then the process is idiotic as things changed considerably.




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8615427/Celtic-apologise-Boli-Bolingolis-irresponsible-stupidity-broke-quarantine-rules.html

[Nearly Sane]

Oi, Starmer, no!




https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/tv/sir-keir-starmer-says-laws-19563627

[Nearly Sane]

'Now that I have lived through an actual plague, I totally understand why Italian Renaissance paintings are full of naked fat people laying on couches'

[SteveH]

Oi, Starmer, no!




https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/tv/sir-keir-starmer-says-laws-19563627

Quite right. Good for Sir Keir.

[Nearly Sane]

Quite right. Good for Sir Keir.

It's idiotic, and will create a ridiculous backlash, as well as undermining political debate.

[Nearly Sane]

Marina Hyde on Johnson.


https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/05/school-boris-johnson-national-lockdown-prime-minister-mistakes?__twitter_impression=true