Coronavirus

[Nearly Sane]

Thank you. Those figures are probably due mor to the the eastern side of Hampshire although I do not know of course, but just over the border to the west is the Christchurch/Bournemouth/Poole area so they will probably have highish numbers.
ETA that I did not see above about local cases. Many thanks for the info.

A friend phoned to say that apparently Sir Desmond Swayne, local NFW MP, is not at all pleased about the New forest area being put into tier four.

Looking at the numbers, all of Scotland other than 3 island groupings, is in tier 4, and only 2 areas are higher than your postcode so not sure what the justification for a lower tier would be.

[ad_orientem]

Link?

Not really sure how what any country orders relates to how much ir receives or how quickly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29916N
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germany-says-eu-wide-vaccination-strategy-is-the-right-way/a-56127798
The idea was that EU members would order the vaccine collectively so that all member states would get a fair share. Bilateral deals were discouraged in the name of solidarity. That's 30 million extra doses that could have been distributed amongst all the states. Now they're going all to Germany. One rule for them!

[jeremyp]

My parents both received their first shots of the Pfizer vaccine today.

[Nearly Sane]

My parents both received their first shots of the Pfizer vaccine today.

Great news. I'm getting annoyed that my mother doesn't have a date for it yet.

[jakswan]

Did I say that?

Never claimed you did, was a question.

Now go away and have this imaginary conversation where you make up things I haven't said , and  have it someplace else.

I don't need to go anywhere to have an imaginary conversation.

[jeremyp]

Great news. I'm getting annoyed that my mother doesn't have a date for it yet.

You won't want to hear this then... My dad appears to have managed to jump the queue. My mother was a fairly high priority due to being over 70 and having asthma and high blood pressure. They just gave him his shot because he was there, accompanying mum (he's also over seventy but doesn't have any other risk factors).

[Aruntraveller]

You won't want to hear this then... My dad appears to have managed to jump the queue. My mother was a fairly high priority due to being over 70 and having asthma and high blood pressure. They just gave him his shot because he was there, accompanying mum (he's also over seventy but doesn't have any other risk factors).

There are all sorts of anomalies. My_aunt and uncle were waiting to hear from their GP . Purely by chance they had a conversation with a friend who happened to be a consultant at the QMC in Nottingham. He told them to ring up the hospital. Which they did and after a 2 hour wait they got appts for their vaccination next Monday. As far as I can tell from other people this is not a service that has been made widely known to the public. Very odd.

[Nearly Sane]

The 'alternative vaccine'


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-minister-champagne-covid-lockdown-b1782539.html

[SteveH]

The 'alternative vaccine'


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-minister-champagne-covid-lockdown-b1782539.html

He's a Tory, and therefore a heartless spunktrumpet, but this is a non-story.

[Aruntraveller]

He's a Tory, and therefore a heartless spunktrumpet, but this is a non-story.

Careful. You'll have the right wing thought police after you.

[jakswan]

Careful. You'll have the right wing thought police after you.

Relative to you isn't everyone right-wing?

[jakswan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55585142

Mr Drakeford said the roll-out was "not a sprint and secondly it's not a competition".

First it is a sprint and if competition makes you go faster embrace that as well!

[Nearly Sane]

Relative to you isn't everyone right-wing?

Portraying a centre leftist like Trentvoyager as somehow extremist left winger tedious, and also the sort of thing that you complain about others doing.

[jeremyp]

Portraying a centre leftist like Trentvoyager as somehow extremist left winger tedious, and also the sort of thing that you complain about others doing.

It's also extremely tedious hearing people say every Tory is a "heartless spunktrumpet" even though it is true of this particular minister. How about we stop stereotyping everybody according to our prejudices?

[Nearly Sane]

It's also extremely tedious hearing people say every Tory is a "heartless spunktrumpet" even though it is true of this particular minister. How about we stop stereotyping everybody according to our prejudices?

I think you want to address that to Nye Scuppertea.

[jakswan]

Portraying a centre leftist like Trentvoyager as somehow extremist left winger tedious, and also the sort of thing that you complain about others doing.

I will happily apologise if I'm wrong, this is my thinking....

Corbyn is the most extreme left-wing politician of note we have seen since the 1970's. As Trent was a very keen supporter of Corbyn it would be rational to conclude he is extremely left wing.

I complain when peoples views are dismissed or straw manned just because they are of a particular persuasion.

Would quite happily debate the merits of any political policy or ideology and have attempted to debate these with Trent, the debates don't get very far.

A recent exchange by way of example ended with Trent stating 'quite frankly you are one or two sandwiches short of a picnic'.

[Nearly Sane]

I will happily apologise if I'm wrong, this is my thinking....

Corbyn is the most extreme left-wing politician of note we have seen since the 1970's. As Trent was a very keen supporter of Corbyn it would be rational to conclude he is extremely left wing.

I complain when peoples views are dismissed or straw manned just because they are of a particular persuasion.

Would quite happily debate the merits of any political policy or ideology and have attempted to debate these with Trent, the debates don't get very far.

A recent exchange by way of example ended with Trent stating 'quite frankly you are one or two sandwiches short of a picnic'.

I don't think Trentvoyager was a very strong supporter of Corbyn. So I think you have to provide evidence for your assertion. That you complain about just dismissing views because of strawmen seems exactly what you are doing here.

The rest of your post just reads as 'He started it'

[Robbie]

I think you want to address that to Nye Scuppertea.

Speaking of whom, not relevant to this thread but still, would like to know the meaning of Nye's latest name. I thought maybe 'Nye' referred to new year's eve but that is too obvious. Does he vandalise the tea table? Would love to know Nye, if you join this thread.

I liked and supported Jeremy Corbyn & wouldn't consider myself to be extreme left. Moderately left probably.

[Roses]

Speaking of whom, not relevant to this thread but still, would like to know the meaning of Nye's latest name. I thought maybe 'Nye' referred to new year's eve but that is too obvious. Does he vandalise the tea table? Would love to know Nye, if you join this thread.

I liked and supported Jeremy Corbyn & wouldn't consider myself to be extreme left. Moderately left probably.

'Nice cuppa tea'

I dislike Corbyn he was too far to the left for my taste.

[Nearly Sane]

Speaking of whom, not relevant to this thread but still, would like to know the meaning of Nye's latest name. I thought maybe 'Nye' referred to new year's eve but that is too obvious. Does he vandalise the tea table? Would love to know Nye, if you join this thread.

I liked and supported Jeremy Corbyn & wouldn't consider myself to be extreme left. Moderately left probably.

I think it's just creating a name as a homonym of Nice cup of tea.

[Robbie]

D'oh! I thought it might have been taken from a fictional satirical character.

[Udayana]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29916N
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germany-says-eu-wide-vaccination-strategy-is-the-right-way/a-56127798
The idea was that EU members would order the vaccine collectively so that all member states would get a fair share. Bilateral deals were discouraged in the name of solidarity. That's 30 million extra doses that could have been distributed amongst all the states. Now they're going all to Germany. One rule for them!

It seems the German order for 30m doses for Pfizer/BioNTech was made before the EU collective scheme was put in place. Presumably if they actually receive those stocks separately from an order via the EU scheme, their share of what the EU receives will be adjusted accordingly. Or, alternatively they could contribute them to the EU scheme.

But.. just to note ... just because someone has ordered x does not mean that they will receive x before other orders are satisfied.       Eg. UK ordered 40m Pfizer doses, but the number expected to be received kept dwindling ..down to 10m, and its not clear that we have received even 2m so far.   

[jakswan]

I don't think Trentvoyager was a very strong supporter of Corbyn. So I think you have to provide evidence for your assertion.

I think neither have to provide evidence because we are merely stating what we think. If we do have to provide evidence then your statement "Trentvoyager was 'not' a very strong supporter of Corbyn" would also need evidence.

That you complain about just dismissing views because of strawmen seems exactly what you are doing here.

That wasn't my complaint, I said dismissing views or straw manning just because of their political persuasion. I have neither dismissed anyone's view or used a strawman JUST because of their political persuasion.

The rest of your post just reads as 'He started it'

No, I have found in the past that instead of getting into a debate on topic it descends into name calling, which rather poetically is where you ended.

[Nearly Sane]

I think neither have to provide evidence because we are merely stating what we think. If we do have to provide evidence then your statement "Trentvoyager was 'not' a very strong supporter of Corbyn" would also need evidence.

That wasn't my complaint, I said dismissing views or straw manning just because of their political persuasion. I have neither dismissed anyone's view or used a strawman JUST because of their political persuasion.

No, I have found in the past that instead of getting into a debate on topic it descends into name calling, which rather poetically is where you ended.

You've made a claim to justify your position. Your-s is the positive claim. I have a lack of belief in it

Pointing out that your argument amounts only to 'He started it' isn't name calling.


Anyway given you aren't willing to evidence your position, apnd given this is fairly off topic, I will draw a line.

[Udayana]

Wrt. to Covid and government incompetence left/right tendencies probably don't make make any practical difference.

Clearly the gov, their lawyers, advisors, thousands of civil servants and police are just stupid, unable to put together rules and procedures that make sense and, of-course, unable to communicate them effectively!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814