Coronavirus

[Nearly Sane]

Hand-on-cock has resigned.

Surely that's Hand-on-Arse?

[Nearly Sane]

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57667163?at_custom3=BBC+News&at_medium=custom7&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_campaign=64&at_custom4=9383441A-D996-11EB-97EB-BC10BECD475E&at_custom2=facebook_page

[Roses]

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I was only saying to my husband, when watching the lunchtime time news dominated by England's win yesterday, the Covid rate in England would go through the roof with the all the hugging and kissing that was going on.

[Spud]

Meanwhile, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has denied the tie between England and Scotland.

[Aruntraveller]

Meanwhile, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has denied the tie between England and Scotland.

Could you elaborate on that? Not sure what you mean.

[Gordon]

Meanwhile, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has denied the tie between England and Scotland.

I'd agree with her - we're miles apart.

(I suspect you need to explain what you are alluding to).

[jeremyp]

Could you elaborate on that? Not sure what you mean.

I googled it and came up with this story in the Express.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1453508/nicola-sturgeon-news-uk-rejected-england-urged-sever-ties-scotland-indyref2-spt

I'm still none the wiser.

[Nearly Sane]

I googled it and came up with this story in the Express.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1453508/nicola-sturgeon-news-uk-rejected-england-urged-sever-ties-scotland-indyref2-spt

I'm still none the wiser.

What an incredibly badly written article!

[Aruntraveller]

What an incredibly badly written article!

Glad it wasn't just me. I re-read it again and it still didn't seem coherent.

[Spud]

Could you elaborate on that? Not sure what you mean.

The Sun's front page headline on 19 June was something like, "INSEPERABLE - Sturgeon denies England and Scotland tied"

[Nearly Sane]

Obviously the racist lying incompetent thug that is PM when asked about this at PMQs dismissed this as compared to Hancock, and Cumming, and Jenrick as just Westminster bubble stuff but that's because he's a lying raxist incompetent thug.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-57503382?at_custom4=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom2=twitter&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom3=%40BBCPolitics&at_campaign=64

[Roses]

Apparently some kids have been using lemon juice to fake positive Covid tests so they and their classmates can be sent home from school. I must admit if there had been a pandemic when I was a kid, and similar circumstances to what we have at present, I would have been up for that, disliking school as I did. NAUGHTY ME!

[Nearly Sane]

Apparently some kids have been using lemon juice to fake positive Covid tests so they and their classmates can be sent home from school. I must admit if there had been a pandemic when I was a kid, and similar circumstances to what we have at present, I would have been up for that, disliking school as I did. NAUGHTY ME!

It's like something out of the Beano! Have to admire.

[Robbie]

Apparently some kids have been using lemon juice to fake positive Covid tests so they and their classmates can be sent home from school. I must admit if there had been a pandemic when I was a kid, and similar circumstances to what we have at present, I would have been up for that, disliking school as I did. NAUGHTY ME!

It shows remarkable ingenuity.

[Spud]

I'm trying to work out how lemon juice could be used to fake a positive test. Can it also be used to fake a vaccination certificate?

[Roses]

I'm trying to work out how lemon juice could be used to fake a positive test. Can it also be used to fake a vaccination certificate?

Ehhhhhhhhhhh, what on earth has faking a positive Covid test have to do with faking a vaccination certificate?

[Nearly Sane]

Olympics held in a state of emergency

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-57760883

[Aruntraveller]

This threads has been surprisingly quiet. I would have thought more would have been said about PM Johnson's "one bound and we're free" 19th July effort.

Feeling perky about no one having to wear masks anymore?

Happy that dear Mr Javid is making a bonfire of all the gains we've made?

My advice: if you are thinking of going shopping, the first thing I would buy is some FFP3 masks.

[Nearly Sane]

This threads has been surprisingly quiet. I would have thought more would have been said about PM Johnson's "one bound and we're free" 19th July effort.

Feeling perky about no one having to wear masks anymore?

Happy that dear Mr Javid is making a bonfire of all the gains we've made?

My advice: if you are thinking of going shopping, the first thing I would buy is some FFP3 masks.

But but Freeeeeeeeedoooooooommmmmm

[Roses]

I think it is crazy to end restrictions so soon as the number of people with the virus here in the UK has risen dramatically.

[SusanDoris]

I think it is crazy to end restrictions so soon as the number of people with the virus here in the UK has risen dramatically.

But what date would you choose and why?

[Roses]

Restrictions like wearing face masks and social distancing should not be lifted until the virus is no longer a danger, however long that takes.

[ProfessorDavey]

But what date would you choose and why?

I though the point was that we should make our decisions based on data rather than dates.

So we should be setting a threshold based on, numbers of cases (plus hospitalisations and deaths) and their direction of travel (downwards rather than upwards) and the proportion of people who are fully vaccinated.

The most recent data show that is isn't just cases that are rising strongly, but also hospitalisations and deaths, with the latter two showing approx 50% increase week on week at the moment. And while their numbers are currently relatively low, the notion of exponential growth means that they attain pretty high levels within a few weeks unless cases plateaux and start to fall. And there doesn't seem to be much evidence for this and the proposed opening up in a couple of weeks will turbo charge cases with hospital admissions following soon after as night follows day.

So lets follow the data, not set arbitrary dates.

[Aruntraveller]

But what date would you choose and why?

it's not a question of the date. It's a question of what is reasonable on the date.

I am all in favour of opening up as much as we can, but to get rid of the mandate for mask wearing is irresponsible in the extreme.

Mask wearing is such an easy win in terms of controlling the spread of the virus. It allows for most things to be done as normal and yet it significantly reduces infection if all adhere to that one restriction. What so many people appear to miss is the virus's capability to mutate and that in order to mutate it is much easier if there is a lot of virus in circulation which is the case now, and will be even more so when we open with no safeguards in place.

Johnson has made it sound like an either/or decision. That is nonsense. We can open up with a few safeguards in place.

All the government are doing at the moment is taking a huge gamble, a gamble that risks making England a world beater in variant creation and also risks significant numbers of people being affected by long covid.

This government is appalling.

[Spud]

it's not a question of the date. It's a question of what is reasonable on the date.

I am all in favour of opening up as much as we can, but to get rid of the mandate for mask wearing is irresponsible in the extreme.

Mask wearing is such an easy win in terms of controlling the spread of the virus. It allows for most things to be done as normal and yet it significantly reduces infection if all adhere to that one restriction. What so many people appear to miss is the virus's capability to mutate and that in order to mutate it is much easier if there is a lot of virus in circulation which is the case now, and will be even more so when we open with no safeguards in place.

Johnson has made it sound like an either/or decision. That is nonsense. We can open up with a few safeguards in place.

All the government are doing at the moment is taking a huge gamble, a gamble that risks making England a world beater in variant creation and also risks significant numbers of people being affected by long covid.

This government is appalling.

Re mutation: I've read stuff to the effect of if there is a lot of virus it may mutate, yes, but the mutations won't be selected for, since the original strain is surviving. But if that strain is under pressure and is being neutralised by vaccine-induced antibodies, and mutated strains are more resistant to those antibodies, a new variant will survive and replicate until it becomes the dominant one. (It will be 'selected for').