Coronavirus

[Roses]

I have just seen that, I wonder if he will have a change of heart about getting rid of lockdown?

[SteveH]

I have just seen that, I wonder if he will have a change of heart about getting rid of lockdown?

I doubt it. He's a reasonably intelligent bloke, and therefore will realise that you shouldn't generalise from a single instance.

[Roses]

If he is a reasonably intelligent bloke he would realise getting rid of lockdown is a HUGE mistake.

[SteveH]

If he is a reasonably intelligent bloke he would realise getting rid of lockdown is a HUGE mistake.

He has all the figures and expert advice, and you don't. Furthermore, it is possible to be intelligent and to disagree with you.

[Roses]

The cases of Covid are now as bad as they were in January and hospital admissions are rising too, so it seems stupid to ease lockdown at present.

[Aruntraveller]

He has all the figures and expert advice, and you don't. Furthermore, it is possible to be intelligent and to disagree with you.

Have you not been following The Lancet on this?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/16/englands-lifting-of-covid-lockdowns-a-danger-to-whole-world-experts.html

On any level what the government is doing is ill advised and goes against established pandemic management.

He is wrong. Just because Roses posted and you felt knee jerking as usual doesn't change the fact that he and the government are conducting a massive experiment on the people of the UK (I say UK because what happens in England will inevitably spill over to the other countries) .

This government is deliberately putting more of the population in harm's way. It is morally wrong and it is unforgivable.

[Nearly Sane]

He has all the figures and expert advice, and you don't. Furthermore, it is possible to be intelligent and to disagree with you.

Is it difficult to speak when you have your tongue that far up the Tory govts arse?

[Sriram]

In the US, there seems to be a correlation between people who don't want to get vaccinated and people who believe Joe Biden won by fraud.  How about that!     

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/17/politics/conspiracy-theories-election-vaccines-analysis/index.html

Frankly, I don't see the connection but it is interesting.

[Aruntraveller]

In the US, there seems to be a correlation between people who don't want to get vaccinated and people who believe Joe Biden won by fraud.  How about that!     

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/17/politics/conspiracy-theories-election-vaccines-analysis/index.html

Frankly, I don't see the connection but it is interesting.

Trump voters is the connection. They have always been the ones who believe lies about vaccination.

[Nearly Sane]

And UK govt continues with its mixed messaging, with Johnson and Sunak going to break the rules until they were callled out on it.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57879730

[Roses]

I was absolutely disgusted when I heard that they weren't intending to self isolate as the rest of us are supposed to do! They are probably only self isolating now because they are more concerned about losing their jobs than the safety of the public.

[Udayana]

Obviously they have their ears to the ground and can tell that the wildebeest are on the move ... from more than 10 paces away!

I'm wondering when they will cancel Christmas this year - will they wait until Christmas eve or just the two days before again?
 

[Aruntraveller]

There is no small sense of irony and also symbolism that on the very day that has been dubbed "Freedom Day" our PM and Chancellor are having to self isolate.

[Gordon]

The whole 'Freedom Day' in England seems chaotic - from what I've been reading Nadhim Zahawi, who is doing the media rounds this morning, is really playing up that people should wear facemasks in shops, public transport and anywhere they are requested to - which makes me wonder why they didn't just retain the 'wear facemasks' requirement.

The idea that all this becomes a matter of personal responsibility, especially given the recent increase in cases, sound a lot like the UK government trying to shift the blame so that if things get worse it becomes the fault of Joe Public.

[SteveH]

The whole 'Freedom Day' in England seems chaotic - from what I've been reading Nadhim Zahawi, who is doing the media rounds this morning, is really playing up that people should wear facemasks in shops, public transport and anywhere they are requested to - which makes me wonder why they didn't just retain the 'wear facemasks' requirement.

The idea that all this becomes a matter of personal responsibility, especially given the recent increase in cases, sound a lot like the UK government trying to shift the blame so that if things get worse it becomes the fault of Joe Public.

I did hope, as I said on here earlier, that the great majority of people would be responsible, and continue to wear masks in enclosed public places, and take other precautions, but if my local Facebook group is anything to go by, I was being over-optimistic. There are dozens of posts, from various members, mostly semi-literate, parroting the new line from the anti-vaccinators and Covid-deniers that it's a matter of personal choice: wearing one is fine, and not wearing one is also fine. They are unable or (more likely) unwilling to understand that it's a matter of protecting others as well as yourself. Maybe Rosie is right after all (he muttered through clenched teeth) - maybe it should be a legal requirement for a while longer. Society needs protecting from these selfish morons.

[Gordon]

I did hope, as I said on here earlier, that the great majority of people would be responsible, and continue to wear masks in enclosed public places, and take other precautions, but if my local Facebook group is anything to go by, I was being over-optimistic. There are dozens of posts, from various members, mostly semi-literate, parroting the new line from the anti-vaccinators and Covid-deniers that it's a matter of personal choice: wearing one is fine, and not wearing one is also fine. They are unable or (more likely) unwilling to understand that it's a matter of protecting others as well as yourself. Maybe Rosie is right after all (he muttered through clenched teeth) - maybe it should be a legal requirement for a while longer. Society needs protecting from these selfish morons.

Face coverings remain mandatory here in Scotland even though other restrictions have eased so, presumably, that could have been the case in England too.

It seems that there is an element of the Tory party that is all for "Freedom Day", so maybe it is Tory party politics that is driving the situation in England, but not so much here.

[Nearly Sane]

Face coverings remain mandatory here in Scotland even though other restrictions have eased so, presumably, that could have been the case in England too.

It seems that there is an element of the Tory party that is all for "Freedom Day", so maybe it is Tory party politics that is driving the situation in England, but not so much here.

Though the move for some areas in Scotland from level 2 to level '0' seems just as driven by politics as in England - even though our cases in part because of the earlier school holidays have just begun to fall again, though are still overall slightly hiigher than England. I think Sturgeon has seemed less driven by politics either by shutting down a bit earlier, or opening up a bit later. The overall numbers don't really indicate a significant difference.

I also think that having a level 0, which with some tweaks last week, is now a sort of level 0.25, is a bad piece of messaging given it's not no restrictions and yet reads that way.

[Roses]

When I went to the supermarket this morning the checkout operator was most concerned that people would remove their masks in the store when lockdown is lifted in Wales next month. I hope they won't, I will be wearing mine and socially distancing.

[jeremyp]

When I went to the supermarket this morning the checkout operator was most concerned that people would remove their masks in the store when lockdown is lifted in Wales next month. I hope they won't, I will be wearing mine and socially distancing.

Just been into three shops at lunchtime today: Waitrose, Boots, Wilkinsons. Waitrose had a sign outside saying "please continue to wear masks". Neither of the other two did, but in all three I only saw two people not wearing masks.

[Nearly Sane]

60% of those being admitted to hospital with Covid double jagged
 


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-have-been-double-jabbed-says-vallance-12359317


ETA: He's now corrected this to 60% are unvaccinated

[Nearly Sane]

But, of course




https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lateral-flow-test-run-out-b1886589.html

[SusanDoris]

But, of course




https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lateral-flow-test-run-out-b1886589.html

If I wanted to test myself, how would I get or find one?

[Nearly Sane]

If I wanted to test myself, how would I get or find one?

https://www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-tests?fbclid=IwAR2HeBvMziX25K0aha8ENJ5t7jC6C03lTw30bDW-IM04B_cuR3nHeZ2xFb0

[Nearly Sane]

Have to say gigen the number of people I know in India who have died, this feels correct.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-57888460

[Udayana]

But, of course

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lateral-flow-test-run-out-b1886589.html

hmm.. I ordered one yesterday afternoon ... to be delivered this afternoon according to Royal Mail text msg.

I expect that as you can't now rely on people social distancing or wearing masks people will want to test before meeting relatives or friends etc.