Coronavirus

[Udayana]

I think I got food poisoning from a reduced price chicken sandwich! And then some respiratory virus broke through my innate immune system... So maybe excess deaths could relate to the cost of living and not being able to afford in-date food...

There are clearly a number of reasons contributing to the excess deaths ... can't see that there are short term fixes for them.

In the meantime UK Covid related deaths have passed 200,000:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/13/as-covid-deaths-in-the-uk-surpass-the-grim-milestone-of-200000-what-have-we-learned
 

[Spud]

So there will be a considerable portion of the population will have declining vaccination efficacy from the initial vaccination programme, but not have had their boosters yet.

Maybe I'm wrong, but are the higher excess deaths said to be non-covid deaths?
If so, then the increase would not be related to people not taking the boosters.

[Spud]

Err - evidence please.

But even if that is the case then like there is a simple explanation - being that vaccination programmes started with the oldest and most vulnerable - in other words those most likely to die, either from covid or from other causes.

I'm sure there is a massively greater death rates amongst pensioner bus pass holders compared to those that aren't eligible for a bus pass. Doesn't mean that bus passes are dangerous, does it.

Interested in your opinion on this:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239

[Nearly Sane]

I wonder if this will be a permanent feature


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62490172

[Nearly Sane]

Interesting stuff. Social media now seems to have permanently become a split betwern those arhuinh for compulsory mask wearing forever and vaccine conspiracists. The UK Govt and devolved govts apart from occasional measures like compulsory testing but no action of positive for those arriving from China seem to have pretty well given up providing information.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-64173824

[Maeght]

Interested in your opinion on this:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239

Watch this Spud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drSAsfuMkuw&ab_channel=BacktotheScience

[Spud]

Watch this Spud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drSAsfuMkuw&ab_channel=BacktotheScience

Can you summarize it please, looks like a waste of 12 minutes?

[Maeght]

Can you summarize it please, looks like a waste of 12 minutes?

Why do you consider it a waste of 12 minutes?

Anyway, it is about the use of P-hacking and about comparing apples to oranges.

[SqueakyVoice]

Interested in your opinion on this:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239

Firstly, could you summarise this paper and provide brief descriptions of relative and absolute figures?Or try watching this
Unvaccinated: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0019g27 via @bbciplayersome is quite interesting (& some just demonstrates that some people are prepared to be closeminded).[/size][/color]

[Spud]

Why do you consider it a waste of 12 minutes?

Anyway, it is about the use of P-hacking and about comparing apples to oranges.

She's behaving like a prat. Thanks, I've looked up P-hacking and will check out the video.

[Spud]

Firstly, could you summarise this paper and provide brief descriptions of relative and absolute figures?

The abstract in the link is a summary, and I think the most relevant bit is "The excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest surpassed the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization relative to the placebo group in both Pfizer and Moderna trials"
Do you want the figures from the paper itself? It's 22 pages long.....

[SqueakyVoice]

...
Do you want the figures from the paper itself? It's 22 pages long.....

It is. That's why I want a summarise.

[Spud]

Why do you consider it a waste of 12 minutes?

Anyway, it is about the use of P-hacking and about comparing apples to oranges.

The limitations of the study are discussed in the paper (now reviewed and published).  I've managed 3 minutes of the Aussie lady, will keep trying.

[Maeght]

The limitations of the study are discussed in the paper (now reviewed and published).  I've managed 3 minutes of the Aussie lady, will keep trying.

Making a bit of a meal of it aren't you? Would start to think you didn't want to watch it. How about this instead?

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/peer-review-fail-vaccine-publishes-antivax-propaganda/

[Spud]

Making a bit of a meal of it aren't you? Would start to think you didn't want to watch it. How about this instead?

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/peer-review-fail-vaccine-publishes-antivax-propaganda/

Are you still following John Campbell? This is his most recent talk, on adverse reactions.
https://youtu.be/onNe5VMQAwQ

[Maeght]

Are you still following John Campbell? This is his most recent talk, on adverse reactions.
https://youtu.be/onNe5VMQAwQ

No, don't watch him anymore.

[Nearly Sane]

'A plague on both their houses'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64818969

[Aruntraveller]

'A plague on both their houses'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64818969

I am staggered at the sheer ineptitude of Hancock choosing Oakeshott to help write his book in the first place. Then giving her access to all his govt Whatsapp messages takes it to another level. He is certifiably insane.

[Nearly Sane]

I am staggered at the sheer ineptitude of Hancock choosing Oakeshott to help write his book in the first place. Then giving her access to all his govt Whatsapp messages takes it to another level. He is certifiably insane.

I would be interested to see her contract - if she gets more money based on sales then I suspect  the principle that took precedence here is her bank account.

[Udayana]

I am staggered at the sheer ineptitude of Hancock choosing Oakeshott to help write his book in the first place. Then giving her access to all his govt Whatsapp messages takes it to another level. He is certifiably insane.

But he was in love!

[SqueakyVoice]

This is quite an interesting, and depressing article. https://liveapp.inews.co.uk/2023/02/28/25-years-after-the-mmr-vaccine-autism-fraud-were-still-dealing-with-the-consequences/content.html
There is a link inside (actually, there are quite a few) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law
So, it looks like we're trying to get rid of Bullshit on a logarithmic scale, ah well...😒

[Maeght]

Boosters to be offered in the spring for most vulnerable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64876657

Interesting that it mentions the Sanofi/GSK vaccine as an option as I didn't know it had been approved here.

[Spud]

Risks seriously outweigh benefits for boosters. In the over 70s risks equal benefits.
https://youtu.be/JvSHD_n3Lyg

[Stranger]

Risks seriously outweigh benefits for boosters. In the over 70s risks equal benefits.
https://youtu.be/JvSHD_n3Lyg

According to a well known source of misinformation on the subject (John Campbell). You must be ever scammer's dream. 

[SqueakyVoice]

https://liveapp.inews.co.uk/2023/03/23/father-whose-baby-died-after-missing-vitamin-k-jab-urges-parents-not-to-be-taken-in-by-misinformation/content.html

Having gone through baby loss, he (Mr Patto) said he finds it “hard to understand” why parents would trust unverified information on social media over advice from their healthcare professional
...

Mr Patto blamed Covid-19 for a re-emergence of the debate around anti-vaccination and medical consent, saying it is “unfortunately spilling over” into real life.

With many condolences to Mr Patto, I agree with his opinion and advice.