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Owlswing

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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2020, 07:13:07 PM »

 Tons of idiots on the George Floyd marches today who are not Christian but idiots. The idea that the religious, which includes you, are stupid is lazy and pernicious.


I don't dispute that, but in the States, it does seem that a fair few of the conservative preachers seem to be in favour of Trump's stance. And I would hope that the British will prove their greater common sense.

In America my religion still hides itself - Salem wasn't that long ago and, according to some American Pagans of my acquaintance, most do not make their faith public, they would never wear the Pentacle visible, that is for sure.

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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #51 on: June 06, 2020, 07:17:33 PM »
I don't dispute that, but in the States, it does seem that a fair few of the conservative preachers seem to be in favour of Trump's stance. And I would hope that the British will prove their greater common sense.

In America my religion still hides itself - Salem wasn't that long ago and, according to some American Pagans of my acquaintance, most do not make their faith public, they would never wear the Pentacle visible, that is for sure.

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it's the British idiots on the George Floyd marches I was thinking about - see earlier posts.

And why is paganism any less stupid than Christianity? If you think religions are bad, at least be consistent.

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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #52 on: June 06, 2020, 09:48:51 PM »

 it's the British idiots on the George Floyd marches I was thinking about - see earlier posts.

And why is paganism any less stupid than Christianity? If you think religions are bad, at least be consistent.


I thought that you understood, clearly, I was mistaken.

My religion does NOT demand that I do anything other than obey two rules - not ten, not dozens, two!

One - An it harm none, do what you will; an it harm some, do what you must!

Two - What 'ere ye send out for good or ill will be returned to you threefold.

This last means, from my history on this Forum, I am in for some deep shit! When? That only the Goddess knows, but as sure as eggs are eggs, it will be when I least expect and when the effect will be most productive in terms of learning a lesson be it in this life or the next.

The main difference between Christianity and Paganism apart from the above is that Witches/Pagands do not proselytise. It is a strict rule. Someone comes to a Coven and asks to join, fine - the other way round is not allowed. Doing so can get you thrown out of a coven; that happens no other coven will take you.

You belong to another religion, fine, no problem as long as you don't try to change my religious affiliation or to convince me that I am wrong.

I hold that my religion and its beliefs are a matter of faith, not fact.   

My apologies for misunderstanding your posts, I shall not make the same mistake again. Contrary to the apparent beliefs of some, I am NOT a glutton for punishment,


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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2020, 10:03:44 PM »
I thought that you understood, clearly, I was mistaken.

My religion does NOT demand that I do anything other than obey two rules - not ten, not dozens, two!

One - An it harm none, do what you will; an it harm some, do what you must!

Two - What 'ere ye send out for good or ill will be returned to you threefold.

This last means, from my history on this Forum, I am in for some deep shit! When? That only the Goddess knows, but as sure as eggs are eggs, it will be when I least expect and when the effect will be most productive in terms of learning a lesson be it in this life or the next.

The main difference between Christianity and Paganism apart from the above is that do not proselytise. It is a strict rule. Someone comes to a Coven and asks to join, fine - the other way round is not allowed. Doing so can get you thrown out of a coven; that happens no other coven will take you.

You belong to another religion, fine, no problem as long as you don't try to change my religious affiliation or to convince me that I am wrong.

I hold that my religion and its beliefs are a matter of faith, not fact.   

My apologies for misunderstanding your posts, I shall not make the same mistake again. Contrary to the apparent beliefs of some, I am NOT a glutton for punishment,


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I do not belong to any religion

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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2020, 01:54:32 AM »

I do not belong to any religion


On this Forum? A far wiser choice than the one I made!

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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2020, 09:08:21 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52949014

There was no excuse for the violence which look place at the protest yesterday in London where 10 police officers were injured.

It is very sad that in this day and age there is still prejudice about the skin one is in. We are all humans when all said and done, it should be our personality which counts not the colour of our skin.
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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2020, 10:56:48 AM »
It is interesting this whole "there is no excuse for violence" theme that LR and countless others often refer to. This is an interesting article about the issue and how it really is not that straightforward.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/12/05/hong-kong-protests-chile-bolivia-egypt-force-police-violence-is-sometimes-the-answer/

We are very often happy to see "the authorities" use violence to control but are conditioned to jump to the "no excuse for violence" trope when it is groups other than "authority".

I'm not saying I approve or not of violent protests, I just think it is a whole lot more complicated than a simple statement.
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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2020, 11:12:03 AM »
It is interesting this whole "there is no excuse for violence" theme that LR and countless others often refer to. This is an interesting article about the issue and how it really is not that straightforward.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/12/05/hong-kong-protests-chile-bolivia-egypt-force-police-violence-is-sometimes-the-answer/

We are very often happy to see "the authorities" use violence to control but are conditioned to jump to the "no excuse for violence" trope when it is groups other than "authority".

I'm not saying I approve or not of violent protests, I just think it is a whole lot more complicated than a simple statement.

I am not happy to see the police using violence as is happening in places like America etc. At least in the UK, if force is needed there is an enquiry to see if it was used appropriately.
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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2020, 11:17:20 AM »
I am not happy to see the police using violence as is happening in places like America etc. At least in the UK, if force is needed there is an enquiry to see if it was used appropriately.
Hmmm


https://novaramedia.com/2020/06/01/the-uk-is-not-innocent-police-brutality-has-a-long-and-violent-history-here/

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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2020, 11:31:37 AM »
The UK police have not always behaved well, especially in the past, but I think there is more scrutiny of their behaviour than in some other countries.
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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #60 on: June 07, 2020, 11:38:09 AM »
The UK police have not always behaved well, especially in the past, but I think there is more scrutiny of their behaviour than in some other countries.
To quote from the article


'In fact, according to the charity Inquest, 1,741 people have died in police custody or otherwise following contact with the police in England and Wales since 1990. Not a single police officer has been convicted in connection to these deaths.'


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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #63 on: June 07, 2020, 01:33:22 PM »
If it means people are so disgusted they don't vote for Trump that poor man's death wouldn't be in vain.

How disgusting...

The whole thing I believe to be a set up by the opposition.
Do you think the life of any person is less valuable in comparison to Trump getting votes or not?
Whether black or white the taking of another persons life does not give any other human being the right to kill and loot innocent people.
Burn buildings or chant slogans at innocent white and black police officers.

A peaceful and dignified protest would have had more effect that a an angry reply full of venom and hurting others.
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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #64 on: June 07, 2020, 03:40:07 PM »
How disgusting...

The whole thing I believe to be a set up by the opposition.
Do you think the life of any person is less valuable in comparison to Trump getting votes or not?
Whether black or white the taking of another persons life does not give any other human being the right to kill and loot innocent people.
Burn buildings or chant slogans at innocent white and black police officers.

A peaceful and dignified protest would have had more effect that a an angry reply full of venom and hurting others.


The sooner Trump is removed from the White House, the better that country will be. 

What I don't get is why white racists think their skin colour is superior to that of others, yet many are happy to sunbathe which darkens the skin?
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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #65 on: June 07, 2020, 04:39:30 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52954305

This statue of a slave trader should have been removed a long time ago. >:( It is shocking it has been there for so long.
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« Reply #66 on: June 07, 2020, 04:59:25 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52954305

This statue of a slave trader should have been removed a long time ago. >:( It is shocking it has been there for so long.
Wouldn't you normally describe those who vandalize public art as scum?
 

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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #67 on: June 07, 2020, 05:03:06 PM »
Wouldn't you normally describe those who vandalize public art as scum?

The slave trader was scum.  >:(
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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #68 on: June 07, 2020, 05:13:51 PM »
The slave trader was scum.  >:(
What if they pulled down the statue of Churchill - after all he was a racist.?

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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #69 on: June 07, 2020, 05:34:26 PM »
What if they pulled down the statue of Churchill - after all he was a racist.?

I don't think a slave trader and Churchill are in the same league. However,he wasn't  a very pleasant person by all accounts, so maybe it is time his statue was removed by the State and sent to Blenheim Palace.
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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #70 on: June 07, 2020, 05:48:53 PM »
I used to live near that blasted statue, and Bristol is full of places he endowed.  His slaves were branded with the company initials.  Good riddance.
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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #71 on: June 07, 2020, 07:04:15 PM »
I don't think a slave trader and Churchill are in the same league. However,he wasn't  a very pleasant person by all accounts, so maybe it is time his statue was removed by the State and sent to Blenheim Palace.
   



So you only want statues of 'pleasant' people?
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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #72 on: June 07, 2020, 07:09:06 PM »
I don't think a slave trader and Churchill are in the same league. However,he wasn't  a very pleasant person by all accounts, so maybe it is time his statue was removed by the State and sent to Blenheim Palace.
How about Cromwell?

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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #73 on: June 08, 2020, 09:40:51 AM »
Minneapolis to disband the police - i'm not sure that in real terms this will happen, and even less sure what means can be put in place to avoid problems in the future but it underlines the deep issues here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52960227
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Re: The death of George Floyd, and aftermath
« Reply #74 on: June 08, 2020, 10:37:28 AM »

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I always thought the "ME" stood for middle eastern. "Minority and Ethnic" doesn't really work in this context since it's specifically the black and Asian people who are more at risk from coronavirus.
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