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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #575 on: March 19, 2012, 04:15:14 PM »
I'm not sure.

CD quality downlads have been around for a while, but I still like to like to own music in a physical form and know that a lot of enthusiasts feel the same way. It might be part of human nature or merely a psychological attachment that we learn. Until the majority of consumers are made up of people who only download music, I think some kind of solid format will survive.

I somehow doubt that higher bitrates will make much of a difference. Most people can't hear the difference - look at what happened with SACD & DVD Audio. For the most part they failed because of a poor range of releases, but the final nail in the coffin was the fact that hi-fi manufacturers were able to make CD perform to such a high level that the benefits of SACD and DVD Audio became negligible.

My biggest concern is a general disinterest in audiophile quality music. Kids today ( ::)) demand instant gratification and don't seem to care about sound quality. It's very depressing to see a group of kids listening to the tinny audio from the speaker on a smart phone without any regard for how bad it sounds. Higher bitrates are completely irrelevant in that kind of situation.

The worst thing is that some engineers will compress the hell out of music in order to make it sound better on mobile devices. The end result just sounds bloody awful on a good set of separates. I have however noticed that this trend has started to fall out of favour - probably because most of the musicians I listen to are aware of the problem and care a great deal about the sound of thir recordings.
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #576 on: March 19, 2012, 04:37:41 PM »
I'm not sure.

CD quality downlads have been around for a while, but I still like to like to own music in a physical form and know that a lot of enthusiasts feel the same way. It might be part of human nature or merely a psychological attachment that we learn. Until the majority of consumers are made up of people who only download music, I think some kind of solid format will survive.

I somehow doubt that higher bitrates will make much of a difference. Most people can't hear the difference - look at what happened with SACD & DVD Audio. For the most part they failed because of a poor range of releases, but the final nail in the coffin was the fact that hi-fi manufacturers were able to make CD perform to such a high level that the benefits of SACD and DVD Audio became negligible.

My biggest concern is a general disinterest in audiophile quality music. Kids today ( ::)) demand instant gratification and don't seem to care about sound quality. It's very depressing to see a group of kids listening to the tinny audio from the speaker on a smart phone without any regard for how bad it sounds. Higher bitrates are completely irrelevant in that kind of situation.

The worst thing is that some engineers will compress the hell out of music in order to make it sound better on mobile devices. The end result just sounds bloody awful on a good set of separates. I have however noticed that this trend has started to fall out of favour - probably because most of the musicians I listen to are aware of the problem and care a great deal about the sound of thir recordings.

Compression is the biggest complaint on Amazon - I try to look at reviews prior to purchase - its ok in the car - but for a proper listen - its awful
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #577 on: March 19, 2012, 04:50:28 PM »
You mostly get it from the majors and artists who don't get involved in the engineering/production.

Last year I bought two WAV format albums that were download only and the sound was superb. Then again I was essentially supplied with the same output you would get on a CD - so no surprise really.

The main reason I'm uncertain about purely digital formats is the fact that I have not heard what the latest digital only equipment sounds like. In theory it should be every bit as good as CD (assuming your download quality is good enough).

The other thing that concerns me is equipment failure. If there is a good backup system and you can keep a permanent repository of your purchases via the cloud, then people may feel better about giving up their hard copy music. Maybe it's just a matter of setting up a suitable infrastructure?


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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #578 on: March 19, 2012, 05:07:28 PM »
You mostly get it from the majors and artists who don't get involved in the engineering/production.

Last year I bought two WAV format albums that were download only and the sound was superb. Then again I was essentially supplied with the same output you would get on a CD - so no surprise really.

The main reason I'm uncertain about purely digital formats is the fact that I have not heard what the latest digital only equipment sounds like. In theory it should be every bit as good as CD (assuming your download quality is good enough).

The other thing that concerns me is equipment failure. If there is a good backup system and you can keep a permanent repository of your purchases via the cloud, then people may feel better about giving up their hard copy music. Maybe it's just a matter of setting up a suitable infrastructure?

yeah - that was a concern - some of the more forwards thinkers are suggesting that all your music will be stored online, but I think that is a while away in HiFI reality yet?
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #579 on: March 19, 2012, 05:27:02 PM »
I suspect that the audiophile hi-fi companies are ahead of the game and waiting for the music industry and general consumer to catch up.

As with film and TV we need super fast unlimited broadband and an infrastructure that is safe and doesn't upset the major labels and distributors. I think we are probably about 10 to 15 years away from that happening.....unless someone throws another PIPA or SOPA spanner in the works; in which case hard formats won't disappear any time soon.

Some of the advantages made possible by digital music could be fantastic. It would be great to take your library with you everywhere and do things like automatically continue listening to an album when you leave your house and get in the car. On the other hand it will be hell for most DJs - requesters are big enough of a  pain already.
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #580 on: March 19, 2012, 05:33:41 PM »
I suspect that the audiophile hi-fi companies are ahead of the game and waiting for the music industry and general consumer to catch up.

As with film and TV we need super fast unlimited broadband and an infrastructure that is safe and doesn't upset the major labels and distributors. I think we are probably about 10 to 15 years away from that happening.....unless someone throws another PIPA or SOPA spanner in the works; in which case hard formats won't disappear any time soon.

Some of the advantages made possible by digital music could be fantastic. It would be great to take your library with you everywhere and do things like automatically continue listening to an album when you leave your house and get in the car. On the other hand it will be hell for most DJs - requesters are big enough of a  pain already.

In some sort of analogue way, sorting through the physical provides a satisfaction even before playing. I can get but never use on demand films, its almost too much of a choice. I enjoy the slight randomness of what I remember to take to the car, having a seamless soundtrack of my life sounds like a nightmare, I like DJ's to choose for me, otherwise I never hear anything new, I also like the randomness of DJ choice going from new and interesting to old and forgotten, I am not organised enough for an on-line directory, but perhaps if I could stream all my music to the car - I would play more of the stuff that I neglect by accident

Still, I just rotate the CD's in the car!
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #581 on: March 19, 2012, 05:53:07 PM »
Don't get me wrong, I know that my attachment to hard format music is irrational and despite my reservations I'm really excited about the future of digital formats - both as a consumer and with a view to how it will change the way people make music. The technology just isn't there yet and I'm looking forward to things that are so new they haven't been invented yet.

I thought I'd never listen to anything but vinyl, so I'm prepared to change again.......but not if the quality is compromised or if a demand for free music kills off the independent music industry (musicians have to eat).
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #582 on: March 19, 2012, 06:05:49 PM »
In some sort of analogue way, sorting through the physical provides a satisfaction even before playing.

I know what you mean and half the fun of searching for a record is the fact that you will come across some unexpected gems in the process.

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having a seamless soundtrack of my life sounds like a nightmare

Possibly, but it would be good to have the option. I haven't listened to the radio in my car in about 15 years so I sort of see a portable virtual library as a means of taking my collection with me without having to pick out a selection of CDs that I might not want to listen to if my mood changes.

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I like DJ's to choose for me, otherwise I never hear anything new, I also like the randomness of DJ choice going from new and interesting to old and forgotten


That's how it should be with a good DJ. I really don't understand why people go to DJs with requests......unless of course it's a third rate wedding DJ who's got nothing but 80s pop in their collection.

I have to fight my OCD and leave my records unordered so that my listening selection is more random, although it's an absolute pain when I want something specific (that's where a digital library would come into it's own). 
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #583 on: March 19, 2012, 06:38:26 PM »

I have to fight my OCD and leave my records unordered so that my listening selection is more random, although it's an absolute pain when I want something specific (that's where a digital library would come into it's own).

Yes - its a pain when I want to find something but I really can't order my stuff

Prof - I agree - but I like books as they can't break down - but if I do the End2End cycle, a Kindle might be good as would a lot of music  though not on the bike - as that's dangerous

I adapt where I want to, but I suppose in my terms I take along what still works and wander along behind the curve - I don't have a smart phone or fruitberry - I have no need to check my e mails in my present life - I might on the end2End

I do wonder if there will be a backlash against the all encompassing technology ad kind of hippy style 60's thing but against being the same as everyone else

Probably am just an old git
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #584 on: March 19, 2012, 10:52:14 PM »
That's awesome Prof ..... love Bo Diddley

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #585 on: March 20, 2012, 01:21:06 PM »
I really don't have enough blues in my collection, although I prefer the more downbeat sound of Lightning Hopkins to Bo Diddley, although that psychfunk track is a bit of a find.

The Burnside remixes are interesting - they remind me of St. Germaine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi_Umdyjfik&feature=related - I'm going to have to dig that album out later today.

I'm not sure the Black Keys know who or what they are. The Bo Keys or Broken Keys are far more interesting:

http://youtu.be/G-b6I_ylW9s

http://youtu.be/2hmfqIAfNms

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Now all I can picture is the SS goose-stepping through Berlin in zoot suits. Time to get back to work and listen to some more 'degenerate' music.
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #586 on: March 23, 2012, 09:11:00 PM »
In celebration of the 150,000+ posts here is a treat .....

A young talent - with a way to go, I'm sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0yJLU5uuKU

Quite cleverly arranged too. :)
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #587 on: March 25, 2012, 03:11:14 PM »
Gloria Jones 'Tainted Love' - Oh yeah!

http://youtu.be/NSehtaY6k1U
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #588 on: March 25, 2012, 03:46:10 PM »
Just heard that Gloria hardly earnt everything from Tainted Love; the writer made a mint though.

Lack of Afro 'The Importance of Elsewhere':

http://youtu.be/-wTUO_Wvf8Y
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #589 on: March 30, 2012, 12:22:10 AM »
Who'd of thunk it, an all female vox looper beatbox acapella group. The Boxettes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8WP-W8KfI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Not sure why the director thought he could make a beatbox raspberry look sexy.
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #590 on: March 30, 2012, 02:03:21 AM »
You could have picked any LOA track and I'd be happy, but I'm surprised you picked an early sample-based tune....no surprise when it comes to the Soul Train video.....I could watch the reruns all day.

I don't have a video link, but have you heard Gibbons' Unity Sextet album?
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« Reply #591 on: March 30, 2012, 09:21:01 AM »
Yes, that's the album (cheaper to buy a UK album though). It isn't quite as upbeat as the LOA stuff, but great nonetheless. Gibbons has got another album out under a different sudonym later this year....can't wait.
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #592 on: March 31, 2012, 12:30:41 AM »
A classic bit of Dancehall from the period before crack messed everything up. Barrington Levy 'Here I Come'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RX08R1ZWes&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #593 on: March 31, 2012, 01:27:34 AM »
Time for some Sister Nancy.....I miss my Sunday morning record digging at Camberwell market.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG_pb09A5_E&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Just spotted that Le Donk & Scor-zay-zee is on - good times.


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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #595 on: March 31, 2012, 02:31:05 AM »
It was good times untill I caught an advert for a Damien Hurst documentary; that pretentious git made my BA a nightmare.

Next up is the Le Donk triplet skit, so that'll cheer me up.
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #596 on: April 01, 2012, 12:30:57 AM »
Completely new to me and dirtier than your mother's drawers - The Heavy

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #597 on: April 01, 2012, 01:47:51 AM »
If only all black cab tris were like this:

http://www.blackcabsessions.com/?id=1306507551
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #598 on: April 01, 2012, 02:54:20 AM »
You don't know diddly unless you know Diddley.

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #599 on: April 01, 2012, 03:28:08 AM »
'Fine Jung Thing' - that's scraping the barrel.....nice UK psyche funk though.

Why make a choice though? I usually mute most games and create my own soundtrack.
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