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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #750 on: June 25, 2012, 07:34:49 PM »
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #751 on: June 25, 2012, 07:54:56 PM »
Philip Glass, string quartet no 2, seriously out of tune.  It's modern.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJmyjxBRamY
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #753 on: June 25, 2012, 08:03:38 PM »
Philip Glass, house music for the intellectuals.  Mad Rush.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiYnfn0kyK0&feature=related
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #754 on: June 25, 2012, 08:49:36 PM »
Subjective, innit?  I like Sinatra's voice, and I like his phrasing.  I think he has great tenderness, and as FF said, his bitterness is fine also.   I can't stand his cheerful stuff, e.g. 'It's nice to go travelling', but that's just me. 

Oh shit, I just listened to it, and it's fabulous.  It's all the melismatics.

Oh, I agree, the fun stuff is awful - Clowns made me blub slightly, yet again!
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #755 on: June 25, 2012, 08:54:28 PM »
Here is Frank, old and the voice is gone, and singing 'Send in the Clowns'.  Damn it, it's poignant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDHPqk2UelU&feature=related

For me, Frank needs bitterness to work, Clowns does (for me) Fool offers hope, and for me Frank was not about hope, regret, bluster maybe, but not hope. nicely sung, but Clowns kills me

I hate cheerful Frank, he did all those bubbly songs at some point, which sound awful.  He had a blue period, with songs about loneliness, very good.  But after all, that voice, and its timbre, fucking amazing.   Not really a 'good voice', just infinitely tender.

There was one album of lonely songs, with a picture of him sitting at a bar.  Can't remember the title.  One song by Goethe on it.

I don't need note perfect, I need him to mean it (or act that he means it) the fun stuff smacks of money grabbing - not that I wouldn't do the same, but I would prefer to be remembered for "Mack the knife, My Way and Clowns

Its like Lisa Minellli - the right song and she was the best - just so rarely so. The vulnerability is heart breaking - she did it well in Cabaret - but some of the bad stuff....
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #756 on: June 25, 2012, 08:57:52 PM »
I don't need note perfect, I need him to mean it (or act that he means it) the fun stuff smacks of money grabbing - not that I wouldn't do the same, but I would prefer to be remembered for "Mack the knife, My Way and Clowns

Its like Lisa Minellli - the right song and she was the best - just so rarely so. The vulnerability is heart breaking - she did it well in Cabaret - but some of the bad stuff....

For me, the guy who makes me believe that he means it is Leonard Cohen... and, maybe Johnny Cash, on occasion.

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #757 on: June 25, 2012, 09:04:20 PM »
Philip Glass, house music for the intellectuals.  Mad Rush.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiYnfn0kyK0&feature=related

Nice Wiggs - similar in style to Ludovico Einaudi .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RyPFwAWSKM&feature=fvsr
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #758 on: June 25, 2012, 09:42:34 PM »
I don't need note perfect, I need him to mean it (or act that he means it) the fun stuff smacks of money grabbing - not that I wouldn't do the same, but I would prefer to be remembered for "Mack the knife, My Way and Clowns

Its like Lisa Minellli - the right song and she was the best - just so rarely so. The vulnerability is heart breaking - she did it well in Cabaret - but some of the bad stuff....

For me, the guy who makes me believe that he means it is Leonard Cohen... and, maybe Johnny Cash, on occasion.

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Its like the difference between Dolly PArton's "I will always" and that other one

Its v individual to the performer

If I want upbeat, I might go for Haircut 100.....
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #759 on: June 26, 2012, 11:56:25 AM »
Azi Schwartz, misratzah birachmim, (Jewish cantor).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EFv8sHazyM&feature=related
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #760 on: June 26, 2012, 12:05:36 PM »
For all those in mourning,  Azi Schwartz, Kaddish, by Ravel.

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #761 on: June 26, 2012, 08:48:25 PM »
Wiggs - that seems to have a reverence ..... just wish I could understand what he is singing ???

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Here is another from Ludovico Einaudi - in un'altra vita:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWkxwhIXQ2A

I'm posting this as much for the video as the music - well worth a view!
If any birders are looking in can you identify the chicks falling from the tree at 3:19.
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #762 on: June 26, 2012, 09:10:11 PM »
Wiggs - that seems to have a reverence ..... just wish I could understand what he is singing ???

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Here is another from Ludovico Einaudi - in un'altra vita:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWkxwhIXQ2A

I'm posting this as much for the video as the music - well worth a view!
If any birders are looking in can you identify the chicks falling from the tree at 3:19.
They appear to have straight beaks unlike birds of prey.

The birds appear to be tree nesting ducks,  probably goldeneye or wood duck.  The chicks, when ready, launch themselves into space and (hopefully) land on or near the water!
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #763 on: June 26, 2012, 09:18:18 PM »
Thank you Ant ... :)

Tree nesting ducks, how interesting 8)
That would be in America? I'm thinking ....
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #764 on: June 26, 2012, 09:50:56 PM »
Don't be depressed.  More people have heard of Justin Bieber than Sinatra.  It all comes out in the wash.  My trouble is that I like everything.  Here is a prezzie for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sclhVBsZiGo&feature=related

Whilst I can appreciate that Sinatra could hold a note, there's something in all the hype that I appear to have missed. He's just sort of... alright? Tony Bennett likewise. They seem to sing out of time with the music, and whilst in anyone else that's a flaw with them it's treated like genius.

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I'm not particularly keen on Sinatra generally. I actually like Tony Bennett more. But as regards your point that they seem to sing out of time with the music, in a sense I think you are right. However they do/did that deliberately. They sing around rather than on the beat, much like many jazz musicians. The overall structure is absolutely solid, however, and they are genuinely in time with the music. One of my favourites (although I suspect not one of yours), is Billie Holliday who was known for her way of phrasing around, and often behind the beat, which, given her blues orientated voice, helped to produced a sad and wistful quality.
In the end, of course, it's what we like that's important, as Wigs says.
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #765 on: June 26, 2012, 10:32:36 PM »
And of course Holliday was a huge influence on Sinatra.
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #766 on: June 26, 2012, 11:23:52 PM »
And of course Holliday was a huge influence on Sinatra.

But its very much horses for courses - its a rare talent that can encompass "loss and regret" and "light and in love"

I also have a soft spot (probably connected to seeing his TV show when a kid) fir Andy Williams - not the greatest singer but - for me an excellent entertainer.

He could do "I can't take my eyes off you" but "its the most wonderful time of the year" is pure and not to my taste, smaltz
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #767 on: June 27, 2012, 06:53:52 AM »
I like the style jazz singing Sinatra did, but I didnt like him doing it.
I prefered Sammy Davis Junior.

To me Sinatra sounded like he was bored (yes I know its his 'world weary' attitude, but knowing that doesnt help).
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #768 on: June 27, 2012, 10:10:40 AM »
Good grief, I saw Sammy Davis about 50 years ago in Manchester, I bet the place was full of Mancunian Jews, and anyway, he was very good.   One of his gags was that he'd done OK for a one-eyed black Jew (although I think he was a convert; quite unusual).  He wobbles all over the place in his pitch and so on, but he has a sort of charisma.  And as an all-round entertainer he was tops. 

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #769 on: June 27, 2012, 03:23:37 PM »
I have never forgotten that he would refund ticket money if he felt he'd given a poor performance. (SDJ)
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #770 on: June 27, 2012, 04:05:27 PM »
He was like one of the old-fashioned entertainers.  He would sing, dance, tell stories, crack jokes, fire six-guns, play musical instruments.  He was also important in the fight against racism, as in his early days, he could not stay in the hotels he performed in, and he objected.

It's incredible that he was allowed to be in the Rat Pack, I mean as a black man.

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #771 on: June 30, 2012, 10:29:29 AM »
Sinead O'Connor, Róisín Dubh. Used to be sung in Irish so the Brits couldn't understand it!

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #772 on: July 02, 2012, 03:18:11 PM »
Thank you Ant ... :)

Tree nesting ducks, how interesting 8)
That would be in America? I'm thinking ....

British Mallards regularly nest in trees. It makes it more difficult for the foxes to raid the nests. They will also nest in the balconies of river-side flats, or on the canopies above shop windows in towns.

The chicks just float down and bounce, which seems to do them less harm than the stress level of humans watching them experience...

http://www.rspb.org.uk/advice/helpingbirds/nesting_mallards/index.aspx
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #773 on: July 03, 2012, 08:22:27 PM »
Josteyn

Thanks for the info. I didn't know some ducks had such habits - fascinating.
In future, when walking in wooded areas, I shall be more vigilant - and especially for chicks falling from trees!!

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #774 on: July 08, 2012, 10:19:09 AM »
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