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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #75 on: September 23, 2011, 07:36:21 PM »
As a Level 42 fan - perhaps I can offer


An instrumental - sandstorm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv4iNB3b54Q

some pop - Sun goes down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4GSdpo9Ydk&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL579DD683FF47102C

Earlier stuff - Love Games - 12"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JXuFM0lnXQ

MOR - Running in the family
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0Uva6O1QM

A minor rarity - Kansas city milkman - live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4PAZZSO8ho


that said - I'm off to see Hard Fi on sunday!
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #76 on: September 23, 2011, 09:59:17 PM »
Discovered this northern Irish artist recently,
writes all his own material....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN5SZ6G4IAk

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #77 on: September 24, 2011, 05:41:40 AM »
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #78 on: September 24, 2011, 08:55:51 AM »
So no other Level 42 fans then?
Sorry - gone all "Sass" there for a moment
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #79 on: September 24, 2011, 02:06:48 PM »
I believe that the Professor has no soul . . how about something livelier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JEC6ZnHZV0
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #80 on: September 24, 2011, 02:48:58 PM »
Dear Fellow Posters,

I can't believe no one has mentioned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su74IVRsWck&feature=related

No accounting for taste I suppose.

Turn it up loud, give your neighbours a treat.

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #81 on: September 24, 2011, 09:41:25 PM »
I identify as a Sword because I have abstract social constructs e.g. honour and patriotism. My preferred pronouns are "kill/ maim/ dismember"

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #82 on: September 25, 2011, 10:16:19 AM »
Nutter!

Here's something from a PROPER  rock'n roller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nz9jR_AuLM&feature=related

And you criticise Level 42!!! that stuff's remedial  8)

I guess music is v personal in taste terms!
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #83 on: September 25, 2011, 11:00:00 AM »
Nutter!

Here's something from a PROPER  rock'n roller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nz9jR_AuLM&feature=related

And you criticise Level 42!!! that stuff's remedial  8)

I guess music is v personal in taste terms!

Yes but James Brown definitely trumps Level 42 and Shakira  :)
Pink v James Brown on the other hand....she could probably have laid him out cold....
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #85 on: September 25, 2011, 12:23:34 PM »
Nutter!

Here's something from a PROPER  rock'n roller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nz9jR_AuLM&feature=related

And you criticise Level 42!!! that stuff's remedial  8)

I guess music is v personal in taste terms!

You may think it's remedial but you can't call it safe, bland or characterless, Level 42 is the sort of thing Alan Partridge might play on a late night drive time radio show and he'd probably have Shakira posters in his bedroom.

In what way is an 8 minute slap bass solo "safe, bland or characterless"?

Don't judge by the late commercial crap!
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #86 on: September 25, 2011, 12:32:21 PM »
Compared to the proper Jazz Funk they fail to emulate, it's as safe as a marshmallow wrapped in bubble wrap and dropped into bath of cotton balls.

Some of Mike Lindup's early solo stuff is pretty good though - pity he didn't seem to have much creative input when it came to Level 42's output.
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #87 on: September 25, 2011, 01:34:56 PM »
Compared to the proper Jazz Funk they fail to emulate, it's as safe as a marshmallow wrapped in bubble wrap and dropped into bath of cotton balls.

Some of Mike Lindup's early solo stuff is pretty good though - pity he didn't seem to have much creative input when it came to Level 42's output.

"Proper jazz funk" would be what exactly?

BTW - even fans differentiate between the period of the original band and when the gould Bros left BECAUSE it went commercial

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #88 on: September 25, 2011, 01:59:54 PM »
I appreciate the difference between the early and commercial work, but even then the early catalogue is very 'pop' compared to Roy Ayres, Azymuth, Donald Byrd, The Crusaders, Charles Earland, The Headhunters etc etc.
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #89 on: September 25, 2011, 02:04:25 PM »
Exactly!
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« Reply #90 on: September 25, 2011, 02:27:57 PM »
I appreciate the difference between the early and commercial work, but even then the early catalogue is very 'pop' compared to Roy Ayres, Azymuth, Donald Byrd, The Crusaders, Charles Earland, The Headhunters etc etc.

mmm - ok - I think the word "pop" is somwhat loaded , i prefer accessible, if popular = "bad" then we end up in the situation where only inaccessible stuff is "good"

Its the syndrome that leads people to value some of those obscure russian composers where a performance is more like an aural endurance contest rather than fun. Its why critics so loved the john Peel roadshow, but most found the bands inaccessible. Alhough, from that inaccessible stuff comes the few gems, it doesn't make the rest "of merit"

Ok - so the early stuff still is "easier listening" than some jazz-funk and of course more relevant to UK listeners.

I also think that the early stuff (well the first two albums and the large number of 12" Willy Badarou influenced remixes) are what L42 "are" - in the end, that they rather quickly "sold out" was rather like many other artists - and in the end paid their mortgages. Blimey - i sold out my early career in science for the money in finance! Elvis went ot Las Vegas - but it doesn't mean i don't value the eralier stuff (just an example)

The Gould Bros were quoted as calling the later (well middle on) "shallow pop that I enjoy playing as much as covers at a holiday camp" something I agree with, the point of L42 can also be seen in Mark king's own recordings - such as "trash" which was distributed directly by Mark after L42 essentially disbanded

BTW - Prof - even if you don't like the genre - a listen to the "Early Tapes" might be educational in terms of what the band started off with. UB 40 were elevator music, and not really musicians......
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #91 on: September 25, 2011, 03:08:19 PM »
FastFlint,

I think that it would be fair to describe L42 as easy listening Jazz Funk, but I don't think it follows that the artists I mentioned are (by comparison) 'hard listening' or inaccessible. I'm tempted to say that proper Jazz Funk is more sophisticated but that sounds pretentious and belies the fact that we are talking about dance music which is more than anything else supposed to be fun.

Although I don't rate L42 I'm not too proud to admit that I used to listen to them in my early teens. They served their purpose as an introduction to a genre I knew nothing about, but it wasn't long before I moved on and discovered the amazing artists associated with the emerging Acid Jazz scene.

I'm not sure why you think L42 should appeal more to a UK audience. Jazz Funk - and Jazz in general - has always had a strong following in the UK and if anything fans are more at home with challenging music than US or European punters. And whilst Jazz and Jazz Funk has fallen out of fashion elsewhere the UK scene has continued to flourish, embracing the genre as it has evolved into Acid Jazz, Nu Jazz & Funk and Broken Beat.

Along with Japan, Sweden and Holland, the UK is one of the few places that still has a lot of love for Jazz Funk.
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #92 on: September 25, 2011, 03:42:07 PM »
Always got time for some Fela :)

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I just don't get that some people aren't passionate about it.

Me either.......and then there are those people who don't really see the point of music.

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #93 on: September 25, 2011, 04:03:25 PM »
FastFlint,

I think that it would be fair to describe L42 as easy listening Jazz Funk, but I don't think it follows that the artists I mentioned are (by comparison) 'hard listening' or inaccessible. I'm tempted to say that proper Jazz Funk is more sophisticated but that sounds pretentious and belies the fact that we are talking about dance music which is more than anything else supposed to be fun.

Although I don't rate L42 I'm not too proud to admit that I used to listen to them in my early teens. They served their purpose as an introduction to a genre I knew nothing about, but it wasn't long before I moved on and discovered the amazing artists associated with the emerging Acid Jazz scene.

I'm not sure why you think L42 should appeal more to a UK audience. Jazz Funk - and Jazz in general - has always had a strong following in the UK and if anything fans are more at home with challenging music than US or European punters. And whilst Jazz and Jazz Funk has fallen out of fashion elsewhere the UK scene has continued to flourish, embracing the genre as it has evolved into Acid Jazz, Nu Jazz & Funk and Broken Beat.

Along with Japan, Sweden and Holland, the UK is one of the few places that still has a lot of love for Jazz Funk.

British in the sense that they were "owned by the UK" whereas - it could be arguned that Jazz funk from other countries reflected their roots, Azymuth sound south american - not a criticism, but for me - not a sound i particualrly like too much of.

In terms of the wider places the music has gone, i personally don't like the more jazz influence (Only) when it ends up being too "jazzy" - I suppose the structured form with some ability to improvise is more my position than preferring the more free wheeling jazz influenced "funk"

Of those you mentioned above, I am more Azymuth than Herbie hancock - in whatever  guise he is/was in - that that's just taste, but I tend not to like the slide into "smooth" that can occur with the more jazz influenced musical styles - just gets boring!

Still - I suppose I end up playing my L42 12" remixed and most won't - that said i will have another listen to Azymuth and maybe a go at Herbie

Prof - I was having an unsubstnatiated go at UB40 for some of their rather nasty commerical releases..... 8)
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #94 on: September 25, 2011, 04:29:19 PM »
If you do have a listen to Hancock, then I'd recommend you start with his Head Hunters album - 'Chameleon' was pretty much the blueprint for the early UK Jazz Funk sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejaumVVHAUQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #95 on: September 25, 2011, 05:03:23 PM »
If you do have a listen to Hancock, then I'd recommend you start with his Head Hunters album - 'Chameleon' was pretty much the blueprint for the early UK Jazz Funk sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejaumVVHAUQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Re: Music was my first love...
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #97 on: September 25, 2011, 07:12:33 PM »
Sometimes, only something primal will do.

Amampondo: drums for tomorrow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exIfWYhvQxQ&feature=related

Drums of thunder Native American - mountainSpirits
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Saitama solo
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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #98 on: September 25, 2011, 07:19:34 PM »
jammin, jammin, ja ja ja jammin

ooo sometimes you just gotta join in

Mickeydrummer ? warming it up  and J J jjjjjjjaaaaaammmmiiinn n nn a tribal drum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xYBfaNJKKY&feature=related


And now j j jaaaaamming  - totally - - -  IN  -  THE -  ZONE      

Mike Portnoy

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Re: Music was my first love...
« Reply #99 on: September 25, 2011, 07:34:44 PM »
Just been listening to 'Blow Your Head' by the JBs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XzKrYHGxzU

Another landmark J-Funk tune!
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