TS,
No, I've taken the concept of deity, gods, that have existed for 6,000 years and still exists today.
No you haven’t. What you’ve done is shmoosh together claims about the objective existence
of deities with descriptors of how people feel
about various phenomena.
You are trying to "smoosh" the definition of gods together…
Er, no – I’m trying to
separate them back to their discrete epistemological categories. You’re the one trying to blur the lines remember?
…because you don't believe or lack belief in a narrow category of gods (supernatural).
I have no belief in the existence of supernatural gods, but that “because” is (another)
non sequitur. I’m keeping the definitions separate because they’re different claims: “X exists”; “This is how I feel about Y” respectively.
Your limited concept of the supernatural creator God of western culture dictates the erroneous limited concept that no gods can exist because a god doesn't have to be any of those things. Some gods are and some aren't.
This is unhinged:
1. My understanding of claims about supernatural gods is limited only by my knowledge of such claims that have been made available to me.
2. I have no concept that gods cannot exist. It would help if you would stop misrepresenting me (and atheism for that matter) about this. I do
not say that gods (or leprechauns for that matter) cannot exist. I merely say that I have no good reason to think that gods (or leprechauns) do exist. We call this position atheism (and a-leprechaunism).
3. Some definitions of the term “god” involve the supernatural, some don’t. My atheism concerns only the former.
I have. Just now and many times in this thread prior to this.
No you haven’t. What won’t you address the problem that claims about the supposed fact of supernatural gods are fundamentally different from expressions of feelings about non-supernatural entities?
What’s stopping you?
How is it incoherent? Jehovah wasn't a god until someone said he was.
Did you mean to say that?
You can't be a god until someone recognizes you as a god.
Why not? Why wouldn’t you be a god just floating about the place, get a bit bored, invent people, then have them call you “god”?
Jehovah said he would be God to Israel. Jehovah said Moses would be God to Aaron and Pharaoh. Jehovah said the judges of Israel were gods. He said the angels were gods.
No, some books
say that “Jehovah” said those things. You’re reifying - another fallacy.
Jesus was a god. Not God. A god. What does all of that mean?
Nothing. It’s incoherent because you won’t tell us which meaning of the word “god” you’re attempting.
It means that to Israel, Jehovah was mighty and venerated. It means that Moses would be mighty to Aaron and Pharaoh. It means the judges, whether they were faithful or not, were mighty. It means the angels were mighty. It means that Jesus was mighty. Satan is called the god of the world. He's mighty to the world. That is what god means. Why is that incoherent? Because you don't understand it.
No, because you won’t make up your mind about whether you’re claiming the objective existence of these things at all or just your feelings about them.
No, not just the latter. Speak for yourself.
Try looking it up. If someone wants to assert “there are no gods” I’m not sure there’s even a word for that, but atheism doesn’t require it.
Are only some of the examples. Supernatural and intervening in human affairs isn't necessary to be a god.
It is for the purpose of the meaning that atheism addresses.
Show me a dictionary definition that specifies this.
Try looking up “god”. Do you see how most dictionaries will number the various meanings? That’s because they’re
different. Very,
very different.
Equating your invisible ideology with reason and logic is only the justification of an ideologue. Everyone has an ideology. Everyone uses reason and logic.
Except you it seems, at least competently. Your fondness for logical fallacies gives you away. If you think preferring reason-based truths to just guessing about stuff makes me an “ideologue” though, knock yourself out.
Nobody cares. Doesn't matter.
If you don’t want your mistakes corrected, stop making them.
I don't have a problem with atheism. Only a small portion of it's definition.
Which you get wrong. I‘m an atheist. I’m an atheist because I have no sound reasons to believe in the existence of supernatural deities. This position requires no claims about the non-existence of gods.
Now write that down until it sinks in.
