Peter Sutcliffe dead

[Owlswing]

Self-righteous savagery and failure to notice that I said his remains should be treated with basic respect.

NO NO, a thousand times NO!

His remains are still HIM and anything "him" is beneath contempt and should be treated as such!

His actions have, in my opinion, denied even his remains the right to be treated as even ex-human!

Owlswing

)O(

[Aruntraveller]

I wish Floo and you could see that by clinging to this narrative of how vile Sutcliffe (or any random murderer and paedophile here if you wish) was and therefore deserving of nothing, you are lowering yourself to the standards displayed by those you despise.

It's an ugly side of human nature I am reconciled to; but it's not attractive, it's not healthy and it's not right.

[Roses]

I wish Floo and you could see that by clinging to this narrative of how vile Sutcliffe (or any random murderer and paedophile here if you wish) was and therefore deserving of nothing, you are lowering yourself to the standards displayed by those you despise.

It's an ugly side of human nature I am reconciled to; but it's not attractive, it's not healthy and it's not right.

Please don't call me Floo. You are entitled to your opinion.

[Aruntraveller]

Please don't call me Floo. You are entitled to your opinion.

Apologies LR, slip of the old memory.

I am indeed entitled to my opinion, and you are entitled not to engage with it. Which is the only thing your statement tells me.

[jeremyp]

NO NO, a thousand times NO!

His remains are still HIM

No they aren't. He's dead and gone. His remains are just a rotting corpse.

His actions have, in my opinion, denied even his remains the right to be treated as even ex-human!

He is remains just are an ex-human. It's a simple fact.

[Robbie]

I wish Floo and you could see that by clinging to this narrative of how vile Sutcliffe (or any random murderer and paedophile here if you wish) was and therefore deserving of nothing, you are lowering yourself to the standards displayed by those you despise.

It's an ugly side of human nature I am reconciled to; but it's not attractive, it's not healthy and it's not right.

I agree with that and what Jeremy said immediately above me. People do tend to waste energy fuming about such things which is utterly futile on all levels.

[Owlswing]

I agree with that and what Jeremy said immediately above me. People do tend to waste energy fuming about such things which is utterly futile on all levels.

So, because I disagree with you and Jeremy I have to shut up and not express my opinion on these boards?

Plus which, if I am not mistaken, and I have no doubt I will be rapidly corrected if I am, they are still referred to as "HIS mortal remains"!

Owlswing

)O(

[Aruntraveller]

So, because I disagree with you and Jeremy I have to shut up and not express my opinion on these boards?

Don't think anybody is saying that. But Discussion boards are by their very definition places where people put up different opinions and those opinions get challenged. It's then up to any given poster to defend those opinions if they wish to.

Sometimes what I find frustrating is when people make a statement and then when it is challenged no further clarification is forthcoming. Usually a rather bland "we'll have to agree to disagree" statement is made which ends any exchange views or any real thought about what has been challenged.

[SteveH]

So, because I disagree with you and Jeremy I have to shut up and not express my opinion on these boards?

When did Robbie say that?

Plus which, if I am not mistaken, and I have no doubt I will be rapidly corrected if I am, they are still referred to as "HIS mortal remains"!

True but irrelevant. If I say "his car", does that imply that the car is him?

[Owlswing]

When did Robbie say that? True but irrelevant. If I say "his car", does that imply that the car is him?

You cannot think that that is a valid contradiction (NS possible wording error correction requested, please) of my statement?

"His Car" is not and never was a physical part of him! "His mortal remains were"!

And as I accept you as a living, thinking, human being I don't think that you do either!

Owlswing

)O(

[jeremyp]

You cannot think that that is a valid contradiction (NS possible wording error correction requested, please) of my statement?

"His Car" is not and never was a physical part of him! "His mortal remains were"!

And as I accept you as a living, thinking, human being I don't think that you do either!

Owlswing

)O(

The body is not him. He's dead. Nothing you do to his body will affect him in any way, nor will it bing back his victims. His body should just be disposed of in a hygienic and safe manner with no fuss.

It's more important to discuss lessons learned from the case so that we can do what we can to stop it from happening again.

[Owlswing]

It's more important to discuss lessons learned from the case so that we can do what we can to stop it from happening again.

nk

Truly I wish you luck with that!

I would bet that people were saying that right after The Ripper stopped operating (Why he stopped is still a matter of conjecture, I think), and are still (you are proof) saying it!

The very fact of how long Suttcliffe operated before being caught is a demonstration of all the things that can happen to extend how long it takes to catch a clever (expletive deleted) like him.

Owlswing

)O(

[jeremyp]

nk

Truly I wish you luck with that!

What are you saying? There's no point in trying because you'll never have 100% success? Why bother with seatbelts because some people will still die in car accidents? Or gun laws because shootings still happen?

The very fact of how long Suttcliffe operated before being caught is a demonstration of all the things that can happen to extend how long it takes to catch a clever (expletive deleted) like him.

So we should just let them happen? We shouldn't do anything to stop them from happening?

Do you know what? If Sutcliffe were operating today, he wouldn't get away with being interviewed nine times.

[Robbie]

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Quote from: Robbie on November 20, 2020, 06:04:27 PM

I agree with that and what Jeremy said immediately above me. People do tend to waste energy fuming about such things which is utterly futile on all levels.


So, because I disagree with you and Jeremy I have to shut up and not express my opinion on these boards?
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Wht you on about Owl? I wasn't thinking of you or anyone particularly when I made that remark.
You're free to say whatever you think so can anybody else. I dunno why you are in such a tiz about this. The man is dead and gone, a great relief for the relatives of his victims andthe survivors. He's not worth wasting any more breath.

[Nearly Sane]

Watched the 4 part documentary on the case, The Ripper, on Netflix. It underlines how the lack of skepticism about the tape and the letters diverted the investigation away from listening to women who had been attacked and survived. As is mentioned, anyone with a passing knowledge of the Jack the Ripper deaths would find the letters so reminiscent of the letters sent then, which were also almost certainly hoaxes, to be very suspicious of them. The tape also sounds in tone very similar to that approach.


The documentary is very well done. The testimony from those who survived attacks quite astounding.