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Harrowby Hall

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West Side Story
« on: April 27, 2021, 09:22:47 AM »
Steven Spielberg's re-imagination of West Side Story will be released in December. Its presentation is already being announced by the best cinema in the Midlands (easily), the Regal in Evesham.  It appears that it will be grittier than the earlier film and closer to the original stage play.

I have seen the stage play twice. I saw the original London production at Her Majesty's Theatre and the 50th anniversary international tour production in Birmingham. Both are seared into my brain.

It was the original London production that really established the reputation of West Side Story. It had been successful in New York but somewhat overshadowed by The Music Man. It ran for 732 performances in New York and I saw performance number 733 in London. Maria was played by Roberta D'Esti. I think that it was the first time that I had seen a professional musical theatre production (other than pantomime) and I was bowled over. I knew the music from the LP.

The 50th anniversary production gave me a totally new perception of a work that I thought I knew well. Maria was played by Sofia Escobar - vocally better than Marnie Nixon  - who portrayed her as vulnerable. Wonderful as Natalie Wood was ... vulnerable she wasn't. The other thing that came through to me in this production was how small scale the tragedy in WSS really is. These are events in just a few streets. Half a mile away no-one will know of it. Its scale is that of chamber opera.
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Re: West Side Story
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2021, 01:08:52 PM »
I love the songs & the story, less keen on watching than listening.

Spielberg's version may change my feeling about it.
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Re: West Side Story
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2021, 02:25:25 PM »
IT is one of my two favourite musicals. I have not yet seen a live production of this. Still time I guess!

I look forward to seeing the Spielberg interpretation but feel some trepidation over it. I do hope it is not a "big" production. As you have identified HH it is relatively small scale. SS usually judges things correctly, but just occasionally he brings the bombast - thinking 1941 and War of the Worlds here, and don't forget Hook.

This is a trailer I found on youtube:

 https://youtu.be/WJCo_e2g5cI
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2021, 02:48:06 PM »
And just to note the wonderful Rita Moreno is in both films.

She was 30 in 1961 when the first film was released, she is now 90 (or will be by the end of the year). That is some staying power!
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2021, 02:51:17 PM »
And just to note the wonderful Rita Moreno is in both films.

She was 30 in 1961 when the first film was released, she is now 90 (or will be by the end of the year). That is some staying power!
And of course she was in Singin' in the Rain in 1952

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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2021, 08:35:20 AM »
And just to note the wonderful Rita Moreno is in both films.

And this is one change that Spielberg has made. She plays a female version of Doc, the man who runs the soda bar where Tony works and the Jets meet. This change also introduces the only adult woman into the story.
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2021, 11:06:23 PM »
Trentvoyager:-
This is a trailer I found on youtube:

 https://youtu.be/WJCo_e2g5cI
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Please no Trent. I'll never be able to erase from my mind the image of young women in flared skirts cavorting around the street with loud song.

I will not see West Side Story, Spielberg or no Spielberg.

Postscript:- Just watched this to take my mind off the above:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jfXzx1SHsY&ab_channel=MARROWFAT

It's close to bed time, nighty nighty.
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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2021, 10:41:35 PM »
Please no Trent. I'll never be able to erase from my mind the image of young women in flared skirts cavorting around the street with loud song.
I will not see West Side Story, Spielberg or no Spielberg.

Do you not consider that dance can be an expressive performance art form? 

In conceiving West Side Story Jerome Robbins intended dance to be a major component of story telling. In this he was simply building on a principle stablished by Rodgers and Hammerstein in Oklahoma! and Carousel.
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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2021, 11:56:19 PM »
I love dance but not that sort of dancing, with singing, in inappropriate settings. It seems self indulgent and silly. I have no doubt the performers enjoy themselves.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2021, 09:21:56 AM »
I love dance but not that sort of dancing, with singing, in inappropriate settings. It seems self indulgent and silly. I have no doubt the performers enjoy themselves.

As a matter of interest do you feel the same way about ballet and opera and Gilbert and Sullivan?

Just going by your criteria they seem to be every bit as self indulgent and silly.

In fact taken to an extreme isn't every piece of art in an inappropriate setting?

What's appropriate about an art gallery or a concert venue? What makes them appropriate settings?

Asking because I'm genuinely puzzled by your response. You sound as if you are channelling another poster altogether.
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2021, 03:58:19 PM »
It's just a matter of taste Trent & I am speaking lightheartedly, it isn't a serious matter but I wouldn't choose to go and see something like that. I do like the songs though. I didn't realise I'd said anything controversial! Promise you I am not influenced by any other poster on any subject. Haven't noticed any here talking about this one but may have missed something.

I do like ballet & agree that could be considered self indulgent and silly but not to me. A lot of people don't like it (my husband's not keen) & consider it pretentious.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2021, 04:34:29 PM »
It's just a matter of taste Trent & I am speaking lightheartedly, it isn't a serious matter but I wouldn't choose to go and see something like that. I do like the songs though. I didn't realise I'd said anything controversial! Promise you I am not influenced by any other poster on any subject. Haven't noticed any here talking about this one but may have missed something.

I do like ballet & agree that could be considered self indulgent and silly but not to me. A lot of people don't like it (my husband's not keen) & consider it pretentious.

It wasn't controversial, so much as puzzling. It is, as you say a matter of taste. I myself find it very hard to sit through opera, but ballet I can quite happily watch. I just found it odd that you dismissed it as self indulgent as you can apply that to any work of art if you wanted to. That bloody Picasso always being self indulgent with his doodling. Why doesn't he go and do something useful, like drive a bus!
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2021, 08:12:45 PM »
I might go and see that - I haven't been to the flicks for 15 years or so, and I've never seen the original. I generally don't like musicals much - "opera for stupid people" - but I'll make an exception.
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2021, 08:21:36 PM »
I might go and see that - I haven't been to the flicks for 15 years or so, and I've never seen the original. I generally don't like musicals much - "opera for stupid people" - but I'll make an exception.
Do you think Bernstein was doing 'opera for stupid people'? Snobbinessabounds

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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2021, 09:30:22 PM »
Do you think Bernstein was doing 'opera for stupid people'? Snobbinessabounds
No, that's why I'll make an exception and go to see it. Anyway, "Opera for stupid people" is a quotation - can't remember who by
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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2021, 09:34:15 PM »
No, that's why I'll make an exception and go to see it. Anyway, "Opera for stupid people" is a quotation - can't remember who by
You used it. Why?

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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2021, 07:44:29 AM »
You used it. Why?
Because it's my opinion of most, but not all, musicals.
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2021, 09:03:57 AM »
Opera for stupid people - a slogan for stupid people. This kind of epithet has been aimed at Puccini and the "verismo" opera form in which he excelled.

Musical theatre - at its best - is worthy of standing at the side of opera as a serious, meaningful art form.

Oscar Hammerstein believed that much of what passed for entertainment on the stage was worthless. He had worked with Jerome Kern and Rudolph Friml and knew that it was possible to produce meaningful and serious musical theatre. He was associated with the Theatre Guild (a kind of middle-class co-operative concerned with raising standards in popular entertainment) when Richard Rodgers (whom he had known practically all his life) became available due to the death of his long-term lyricist Lorenz Hart. Rodgers was a product of the institution now known as the Julliard School of Music.

Theatre Guild wanted to produce a musical version of a play whose rights they owned called Green grow The Lilacs . The result, renamed Oklahoma! was the first "book musical" in which music, song and dance are all used to advance a plot and tell a story. Oklahoma! actually includes a reference to the sort of musical entertainment which Hammerstein despised in the song Kansas City.

Hammerstein's surrogate son, Stephen Sondheim, wrote the lyrics for West Side Story.
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Re: West Side Story
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2021, 10:15:22 AM »
I have now seen the new film.

Star performances by Rachel Zegler (Maria) Ariana DeBose (Anita) ... and Rita Moreno - the original stage and screen Anita as a new character, Valentina (Doc's widow).
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