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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1900 on: July 08, 2024, 09:55:37 AM »
A big missile and drone attack on Kyiv this morning by russia. A childrens hospital has been hit. How are you going to justify this, Spud?

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« Reply #1902 on: July 08, 2024, 12:28:37 PM »
Remember, this is not just Putin's war, it's russia's war.

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« Reply #1903 on: July 08, 2024, 01:29:38 PM »

There are many, many pro-EU voices in Scotland, in Brighton, in London - if Italian troops suddenly marched in and put them on the news it wouldn't in any way justify an invasion. Same thing here.

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1904 on: July 08, 2024, 01:39:26 PM »
Three hospitals hit this morning. If I was still a religious man I'd be praying for an asteroid to hit Moscow, but since I no longer am, a nuke will do.

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1905 on: July 09, 2024, 02:18:11 PM »
Spud is usually quiet. No doubt absorbing all the russian propaganda. It was definitely a russian cruise missile.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1906 on: July 09, 2024, 02:19:00 PM »
Spud is usually quiet. No doubt absorbing all the russian propaganda. It was definitely a russian cruise missile.
Presume you mean unusually?

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1907 on: July 09, 2024, 02:44:37 PM »
Presume you mean unusually?

Yes.👍
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1908 on: July 09, 2024, 09:44:13 PM »
Just in case anyone's wondering.👇
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1909 on: July 10, 2024, 05:50:26 PM »
It was definitely a russian cruise missile.
I agree, but I don't think the hospital was targeted deliberately. The other targets hit were military facilities. 1.2 km to the north.

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1910 on: July 10, 2024, 05:54:13 PM »
I agree, but I don't think the hospital was targeted deliberately. The other targets hit were military facilities. 1.2 km to the north.

Yes, and I don't think you are naive.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1911 on: July 10, 2024, 06:16:18 PM »
I agree, but I don't think the hospital was targeted deliberately. The other targets hit were military facilities. 1.2 km to the north.

So are you saying that russian cruise missiles only have and accuracy of around 1,2km? Kinzhals are actually quite accurate. Somebody programmed the coordinates knowing it was going to hit a childrens hospital.
 
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1912 on: July 10, 2024, 07:01:02 PM »
So are you saying that russian cruise missiles only have and accuracy of around 1,2km? Kinzhals are actually quite accurate. Somebody programmed the coordinates knowing it was going to hit a childrens hospital.

Here is an analysis, by a Belorussian:
https://youtu.be/UVRLI1vVVEQ?si=sNvqrkCPGM7kFI-c

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1913 on: July 10, 2024, 07:42:26 PM »
Here is an analysis, by a Belorussian:
https://youtu.be/UVRLI1vVVEQ?si=sNvqrkCPGM7kFI-c

And he obviously has no idea what he's talking about. There are no signs of any damage on the missile. And we know it's definitely a kh-101. The telltale sign is the jet exhaust on the underside at the back end of the missile.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/07/09/russian-missile-identified-in-kyiv-childrens-hospital-attack/?utm_source=twitter

https://x.com/RyanMcbeth/status/1810622414650270178?s=19

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1914 on: July 10, 2024, 07:44:37 PM »
It seems one of the pilots who launched the missiles committed suicide. Rest in piss!

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1915 on: July 10, 2024, 09:19:16 PM »
There are no signs of any damage on the missile. And we know it's definitely a kh-101. The telltale sign is the jet exhaust on the underside at the back end of the missile.


I agree with that, assuming the photo hasn't been manipulated. But there are still questions, if you don't mind? I think a doctor and a child were killed by that particular missile. Would Russia deliberately use an expensive missile for that purpose? Would they not want to hit the main building where more patients would be?

If it was deliberate, I would also point out that it may have been a revenge attack following the recent Sevastopol incident.

Just saying, we don't know either way, at this point.

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1916 on: July 11, 2024, 08:42:47 AM »
I agree with that, assuming the photo hasn't been manipulated. But there are still questions, if you don't mind? I think a doctor and a child were killed by that particular missile. Would Russia deliberately use an expensive missile for that purpose? Would they not want to hit the main building where more patients would be?

If it was deliberate, I would also point out that it may have been a revenge attack following the recent Sevastopol incident.

Just saying, we don't know either way, at this point.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1917 on: July 13, 2024, 09:33:33 AM »
Is Orban the man to bring peace? I have my doubts but at some point there has to be some form of peace.


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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1918 on: July 13, 2024, 11:42:38 AM »
And he obviously has no idea what he's talking about. There are no signs of any damage on the missile. And we know it's definitely a kh-101. The telltale sign is the jet exhaust on the underside at the back end of the missile.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/07/09/russian-missile-identified-in-kyiv-childrens-hospital-attack/?utm_source=twitter

https://x.com/RyanMcbeth/status/1810622414650270178?s=19
Here is a screenshot from a video that shows three kh 101s hitting the Artyom plant. It looks different - shorter and wider, and wings clearly visible.
The other missile has small stabilisers in the middle, rather than wings. And it seems more slender. But apparently the damage to the surrounding buildings suggests a more powerful warhead than a SAM carries.
https://x.com/Osint613/status/1810427503401480486/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1810427503401480486&currentTweetUser=Osint613
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1919 on: July 13, 2024, 12:27:55 PM »
Is Orban the man to bring peace? I have my doubts but at some point there has to be some form of peace.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxw2k9dnjmno

Ultimately, that's for Ukrainians to decide though. Meanwhile, all russia has to do is leave and that is still all we should be concentrating on. No land for peace. All Orban wants is Transcarpathia, not peace.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1920 on: July 13, 2024, 06:05:17 PM »
Here is a screenshot from a video that shows three kh 101s hitting the Artyom plant. It looks different - shorter and wider, and wings clearly visible.
The other missile has small stabilisers in the middle, rather than wings. And it seems more slender. But apparently the damage to the surrounding buildings suggests a more powerful warhead than a SAM carries.
https://x.com/Osint613/status/1810427503401480486/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1810427503401480486&currentTweetUser=Osint613

The 'other' missile is reviewed at a different orientation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cj7dzr92m17o

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1921 on: July 13, 2024, 06:23:35 PM »
"Chief of Staff of the Azov Regiment Krotevich says: "No peace without victory. There is only one victory – not a single Russian soldier on Ukrainian territory. We will not leave this war to our descendants, and you won't either because if you try, it will be bad. For you and for them. If this is a test, don't even think about it. I wrote this calmly."
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1807764739604234320

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« Reply #1922 on: July 13, 2024, 06:30:09 PM »
"Chief of Staff of the Azov Regiment Krotevich says: "No peace without victory. There is only one victory – not a single Russian soldier on Ukrainian territory. We will not leave this war to our descendants, and you won't either because if you try, it will be bad. For you and for them. If this is a test, don't even think about it. I wrote this calmly."
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1807764739604234320

Azov based as always!
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1923 on: July 17, 2024, 04:39:50 PM »
Azov based as always!
What do you mean?

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #1924 on: July 17, 2024, 05:55:00 PM »
What do you mean?

Based. As in well founded. In this case, no land for peace.
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