Arming the Ukrainians

[Maeght]

And they have the right not to.

Of course they do. Never said differently.

[jeremyp]

Firstly, not guarantees, assurances.
Secondly, as Vance said, giving endless weapons hasn't brought peace.

They haven't given endless weapons. If they had, the war would be over and Russia would be back in its box.

Giving in to Putin will bring more war. Sending up to him and defeating him will bring peace.

[jeremyp]

The point is that pumping weapons into Ukraine will provoke Russia to take all of the country, and millions more will die in the process.

Russia isn't capable of taking the whole country. They tried that in 2022 when they were vastly more powerful than now and they failed.

[jeremyp]

You are not free to force someone to kill people. If they want to leave the country, or retreat or surrender, they have that right.

What about the Russians? Do you think any of the Russian soldiers on the front lines want to be there?

[ad_orientem]

That doesn't make it right

According to whom?

[ad_orientem]

What about the Russians? Do you think any of the Russian soldiers on the front lines want to be there?

From interviews of russian pow's, most of them are there for the promise of money.

[Nearly Sane]

US pauses intelligence sharing with Ukraine, ffs!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cly28qvp83pt

[Outrider]

You are not free to force someone to kill people. If they want to leave the country, or retreat or surrender, they have that right.

No overt problem with Russia's conscription, though? It's all about Ukraine and how bad they are?

O.

[Dicky Underpants]

US pauses intelligence sharing with Ukraine, ffs!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cly28qvp83pt

Trump is really putting pressure on Russia, isn't he?

Half my posts these days seem to be sarcastic.

[Nearly Sane]

Trump is really putting pressure on Russia, isn't he?

Half my posts these days seem to be sarcastic.

I've written before about how I would advise sarcasm to be taken as my default tone. I also think as recent events have happened that the ffs should be taken as read.

[Dicky Underpants]

I've written before about how I would advise sarcasm to be taken as my default tone. I also think as recent events have happened that the ffs should be taken as read.

In this case, the suspension of intelligence services apparently came AFTER Trump had received the letter from Zelenskyy agreeing to sign over the valuable minerals. Trump as usual prompted by emotional pique rather than reason.
Yet still the MAGA crowd think he has some grand plan.

[Dicky Underpants]

Well, maybe his grand plan is to take over the whole of the Americas, plus Greenland - allowing Putin to take over all the Slavonic countries and then all Europe. China can have the rest.
Australia and NZ, it's all down to you.

[Nearly Sane]

Well, maybe his grand plan is to take over the whole of the Americas, plus Greenland - allowing Putin to take over all the Slavonic countries and then all Europe. China can have the rest.
Australia and NZ, it's all down to you.

I suspect he sees them as Jinna's

[Nearly Sane]

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[jeremyp]

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Very funny. Fortunately, there are some differences this time.

[Spud]

Maybe not, but it is not unique to Ukraine.

I know this, but we can't do much about that. We can stop arming a country that has been beating up men who resist conscription.

[Spud]

Russia isn't capable of taking the whole country. They tried that in 2022 when they were vastly more powerful than now and they failed.

I agree they couldn't take the whole country. I think that once they have taken the four oblasts, they will concentrate on stopping the transport of Western weapons into the country.

[Spud]

According to whom?

Deuteronomy 20:8 is clear that men were not forced to fight. The reason given is that if they were, they might make the rest of the men too afraid to fight.

[jeremyp]

I know this, but we can't do much about that. We can stop arming a country that has been beating up men who resist conscription.

We aren't arming Russia.

[Spud]

We aren't arming Russia.

Watch from 10 minutes on. At least 14 separate incidents caught on camera. This is what the UK is sponsoring.
https://youtu.be/VUuSfuTKHAg?si=ei3p6JP25HSdE-Xg

[jeremyp]

Watch from 10 minutes on. At least 14 separate incidents caught on camera. This is what the UK is sponsoring.
https://youtu.be/VUuSfuTKHAg?si=ei3p6JP25HSdE-Xg

Do you acknowledge that Russia has been conscripting hundreds of thousands of men against their will often using force? Yes or no.

Until you do, you can shove your anti-Ukraine propaganda up your arse.

[jeremyp]

I mean seriously? Russia can conscript its entire adult male population (as long as they are not too rich) and you say nothing. But fourteen cases from Ukraine? That's beyond the pale, apparently.

[ad_orientem]

I don't see what the problem with conscription is. 

[Nearly Sane]

Poland looking to get nuclear weapons


https://archive.vn/FTegI

[Maeght]

Watch from 10 minutes on. At least 14 separate incidents caught on camera. This is what the UK is sponsoring.
https://youtu.be/VUuSfuTKHAg?si=ei3p6JP25HSdE-Xg

That is disturbing, but in times of war bad things do happen sadly. No country is ever totally innocent during war. The UK isn't sponsoring such actions but supporting a country in their right to defend themselves and to act to contain Russia's territorial ambitions.