Arming the Ukrainians

[Dicky Underpants]

I'll leave you and ad O to it, then, learn the hard way.

If you are capable of learning (which I'm beginning to doubt)then it is you who will have to learn the hard way. Your view of life reminds me of Lewis Carroll's verses on old Father William, who incessantly stood on his head. Except in your case, you walk around on it, so that everything you perceive is arse about face.

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Prigozhin dead. LOL!

[Nearly Sane]

In a plane crash! How convenient!

[splashscuba]

Well that's different. Not off the top off a building.

[Nearly Sane]

The others on the flight


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66602757

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The others on the flight


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66602757

Utkin was a real nazi. Glad he's dead.

[Nearly Sane]

The Ukrainian Maverick is dead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66631182

[Spud]

No there aren't. That would be a quarter of the population.

The figures I quoted were from 1992. In 2001 a census counted 8.3 million.

[Spud]

An internal issue that doesn't warrant a foreign nation invading.

At that point in Donbas Russia didn't invade. They did what the west is doing now for ukraine: providing arms to the separatists and possibly mercenary fighters, after the Ukrainian government sent the army to fight them.

[Spud]

If you are capable of learning (which I'm beginning to doubt)then it is you who will have to learn the hard way. Your view of life reminds me of Lewis Carroll's verses on old Father William, who incessantly stood on his head. Except in your case, you walk around on it, so that everything you perceive is arse about face.

My point is that Ukraine will have to fight to the last man if you continue to give them weapons, because, it seems, Russia is not going to withdraw. This looks like assisted suicide. Is that what you want?

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My point is that Ukraine will have to fight to the last man if you continue to give them weapons, because, it seems, Russia is not going to withdraw. This looks like assisted suicide. Is that what you want?

That's what the Moskal barbarians want you to think.

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At that point in Donbas Russia didn't invade. They did what the west is doing now for ukraine: providing arms to the separatists and possibly mercenary fighters, after the Ukrainian government sent the army to fight them.

Yes, it did invade.

"Alexander Borodai, Prime Minister of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic, stated that 50,000 Russian citizens fought in the Donbas up to August 2015". Alexander Borodai is now a member of the ruSSian state duma.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War)

[jeremyp]

The figures I quoted were from 1992. In 2001 a census counted 8.3 million.

You miss the point. They are not Russians. The language you speak does not define your nationality.

[jeremyp]

At that point in Donbas Russia didn't invade. They did what the west is doing now for ukraine: providing arms to the separatists and possibly mercenary fighters, after the Ukrainian government sent the army to fight them.

The West is not providing arms to terrorists, it is providing arms to the legitimate government of Ukraine.

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Jan Petrovsky, a commander of Rusich, a neo-nazi regiment associated with Wagner, was detained in Finland about a month ago. News of this only came to us last week. He is accused of war crimes in Donbas in 2014-2015. Ukraine has asked for him to be extradited. The world's eyes are on us now. Let's hope we do the right thing and send him to Ukraine to face justice.

There are question marks over how he was able to enter Finland, being on sanctions lists. I seems he legally changed his name to Voislav Torden whilst residing in Norway. His wife (having been granted permission to study in Finland) and children obtained visas to stay in Finland and then Jan Petrovsky followed later. He was eventually detained last month at the Finnish border using facial recognition whilst trying to leave the country. Lots of questions to be asked. Why are we letting in ruSSians at all? Why does Norway seem to be so free with its visas etc? Nevetheless we got the bastard!

Rusich might not be familiar to everyone here. It is an outright neo-nazi regiment responsible for some of the worst attrocities in Donbas in 2014-2015. They're still around but have taken a more backseat role.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wagner-channels-say-russian-citizen-arrested-finland-is-top-fighter-2023-08-25/

[Outrider]

At that point in Donbas Russia didn't invade. They did what the west is doing now for ukraine: providing arms to the separatists and possibly mercenary fighters, after the Ukrainian government sent the army to fight them.

Russia was, by its own admission, either arming Russian citizens in a foreign country to conduct military operations, or it was providing arms to an insurgent group in a foreign country. That's what it admits. The widely understood reality is that it was also sending in troops to those area in addition to the people already in-country.

By contrast, the West is supplying materials to the duly elected government of a country being invaded by its neighbour.

These are not the same things, not even close.

O.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group

Jan Petrovsky, a commander of Rusich, a neo-nazi regiment associated with Wagner, was detained in Finland about a month ago. News of this only came to us last week. He is accused of war crimes in Donbas in 2014-2015. Ukraine has asked for him to be extradited. The world's eyes are on us now. Let's hope we do the right thing and send him to Ukraine to face justice.

There are question marks over how he was able to enter Finland, being on sanctions lists. I seems he legally changed his name to Voislav Torden whilst residing in Norway. His wife (having been granted permission to study in Finland) and children obtained visas to stay in Finland and then Jan Petrovsky followed later. He was eventually detained last month at the Finnish border using facial recognition whilst trying to leave the country. Lots of questions to be asked. Why are we letting in ruSSians at all? Why does Norway seem to be so free with its visas etc? Nevetheless we got the bastard!

Rusich might not be familiar to everyone here. It is an outright neo-nazi regiment responsible for some of the worst attrocities in Donbas in 2014-2015. They're still around but have taken a more backseat role.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wagner-channels-say-russian-citizen-arrested-finland-is-top-fighter-2023-08-25/

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100,000. These are 100,000 people ruSSian barbarians were meant to "liberate".

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3754145-invaders-have-killed-about-100000-people-in-mariupol-human-rights-defenders.html

[Spud]

The West is not providing arms to terrorists, it is providing arms to the legitimate government of Ukraine.

I'm fairly convinced by the Tass reports of daily shelling of non-military targets by Ukraine. That makes them terrorists.

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I'm fairly convinced by the Tass reports of daily shelling of non-military targets by Ukraine. That makes them terrorists.

Then you've just confirmed yourself as the gullible idiot we've come to realise you are.

[Spud]

That's what the Moskal barbarians want you to think.

It's also slavery - Mitt Romney let the cat out of the bag 2 days ago
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/273945687/us-senator-cheers-hurting-russia-at-cost-of-only-ukrainian-lives

[Spud]

Then you've just confirmed yourself as the gullible idiot we've come to realise you are.

Happy to be proved wrong

[Spud]

You miss the point. They are not Russians. The language you speak does not define your nationality.

The data I saw said they were Ethnic Russians

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Happy to be proved wrong

I've already provided evidence that ruSSia invaded. Ukraine merely defended itself. And as for the whole "genocide in donbas" thing, it's bullshit. Debunked many times.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g-YKRc_b7CE

https://twitter.com/YLEKuronen/status/1680816117801951234?s=19

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RuSSia is on fire tonight. Big explosions in Pskov, explosions in Bryansk, explosions in Tula and Moscow airports closed. Burn ruSSia burn!