Arming the Ukrainians

[Spud]

No they didn't. At least their leaders didn't because West Germany was never going to get aggressive.

According to wiki, the Czechoslovak leadership did.

In 1955, they might have had a legitimate reason to fear the USA though.
Ukraine was never a threat to Russia.

Okay.  The thing is, Russia wasn't worried about Ukraine being a threat to them. They were helping the Donbas separatists, to whom Ukraine was a threat.

I think you'll find that Yanukovich abandoned his post following opposition to his draconian anti-protest laws that resulted in a number of deaths. He wasn't ousted, he fled.

That's not what happened according to Yanukovich himself.

[Spud]

Putin had no right to "agree" that part of another sovereign state should be independent. He was poking his nose in matters that did not concern him. Why? Because of his imperialist ambitions.

As I understand it, Russia poked it's nose in in response to the US' meddling in Ukraine (see eg the Nuland phonecall)

[jeremyp]

According to wiki, the Czechoslovak leadership did. Okay.  The thing is, Russia wasn't worried about Ukraine being a threat to them. They were helping the Donbas separatists, to whom Ukraine was a threat.

Donbas is part of Ukraine. Ukraine isn't a threat to itself and Russia were interfering with the internal affairs of another country.

Not to mention that the Donbas separatists wouldn't have existed without Russian meddling.

That's not what happened according to Yanukovich himself.

The coward who fled had a different version of events? Of course he did.

It hasn't occurred to you that he's not exactly neutral in the matter?

[Outrider]

Also, Putin's actions before the war are evidence against imperialism: agreement that Donbas would be independent, his security proposal to the US in December 2021.

Because you can believe what Putin publicly states, like how he will respect Ukraine's borders and autonomy....

O.

[Nearly Sane]

UEFA to allow under 17 Russian teams to compete in Europe


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66927138

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UEFA to allow under 17 Russian teams to compete in Europe


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66927138

Disgusting decision.

[SteveH]

Have you seen the Guardian's version? It includes the bang, 2 seconds before the strike, and it doesn't sound distorted. I don't know what the munition is, but it definitely sounds like was launched from not far away.
https://youtu.be/gAP_7MA6DiI?si=UxpkaoH6iNpQKc02

Bonkers conspiracy-theoretical bullshit.

[Nearly Sane]

UEFA to allow under 17 Russian teams to compete in Europe


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66927138

Ukraine asks them not to.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66954582

[jeremyp]

Ukraine asks them not to.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66954582

I have to wonder if UEFA officials are in receipt of Russian money.

[Nearly Sane]

I have to wonder if UEFA officials are in receipt of Russian money.

IPC votes to allow Russian athletes to take part in the Paris Paralympics.

'Andrew Parsons, president of the IPC, said the organisation was "very firm believers that sport and politics should not mix".' - meanwhile in the real world...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/disability-sport/66960723

[jeremyp]

IPC votes to allow Russian athletes to take part in the Paris Paralympics.

'Andrew Parsons, president of the IPC, said the organisation was "very firm believers that sport and politics should not mix".' - meanwhile in the real world...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/disability-sport/66960723

More Russian money flowing into certain pockets...

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More Russian money flowing into certain pockets...

Yep. Anyone who justifies this saying sports and politics should be kept apart is a complete moron.

[Nearly Sane]

As covered in the thread on the US budget, it has passed but no money for Ukraine.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66973976

[SteveH]

Yep. Anyone who justifies this saying sports and politics should be kept apart is a complete moron.

I say that, except when the politics directly affects the sport, eg refusing to field teams selected solely on ability.

[Nearly Sane]

I say that, except when the politics directly affects the sport, eg refusing to field teams selected solely on ability.

Either allowing or not allowing Russian teams to take part is politics here so how do you avoid it?

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Another terrorist attack by ruSSia on civilians. Despite western weakness not giving everything Ukraine needs, ruSSia is still losing. That's why ruSSia targets civilians, not military.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna118982

[Nearly Sane]

How tolerant

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-journalist-who-staged-tv-war-protest-handed-8-12-year-jail-term-absentia-2023-10-04/

[Nearly Sane]

All gone quiet on this thread. Sorry Ukraine, not exciting enough, there's a new war to talk about.

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All gone quiet on this thread. Sorry Ukraine, not exciting enough, there's a new war to talk about.

Exactly what ruSSia wants, which is one reason why they back Iran, who in turn back Hamas. Some of us haven't forgotten about Ukraine though. RuSSia continues to commit attrocities everyday.

[Nearly Sane]

BBC is still putting out reports on the war, and one fleetingly appeared on the main news page late last night but I had to seek it out on the Russian Ukraine War ghetto this morning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67175566

[ad_orientem]

Another day, another attrocity. Feel no sympathy for these pigs when you see drone footage of them being blown to pieces. They could have stayed at home but instead chose to loot, rape and murder Ukrainians.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/10/29/7426247/index.amp

[ekim]

A brave Russian woman ............. https://tinyurl.com/yc3rxnz7

[Nearly Sane]

Just to make sure that one war doesn't hide what happens in another.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67308647

[Spud]

Just to make sure that one war doesn't hide what happens in another.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67308647

It says, "The intensification of attacks on Kherson is likely due to the Ukrainian counteroffensive."

According to Military Summary Channel, a few hundred troops from the AFU have recently crossed the Dnieper river in Kherson region and are trying to establish a foothold on the East bank. They are building up forces, presumably waiting to cross, on the west bank, which is why the Russians are bombing the towns in that area.

The other day Scott Ritter pointed out that Kherson and Zaporizhia would still be under Ukrainian control, and half a million Ukrainians would still be alive, had Ukraine conceded autonomy for the Donbas and ruled out joining NATO last March.

[Sebastian Toe]

The other day Scott Ritter pointed out that Kherson and Zaporizhia would still be under Ukrainian control, and half a million Ukrainians would still be alive, had Ukraine conceded autonomy for the Donbas and ruled out joining NATO last March.

Today, I am pointing out that Russia not invading would have had the same result