Arming the Ukrainians

[Spud]

NATO never provoked Russia. Russia is paranoid.

Russia perceives encirclement.
Thing is, the West will not give Ukraine what it needs. Read about how Zedekiah turned to Egypt at the time of the Babylonian invasion. The West needs to repent of it's perverted values, then there will be peace.

[jeremyp]

Yes, a little; they refused to vote in the referendum iirc. I think the main issue was about preventing the US from having access to Crimea

This is fantasy. The idea that the US wants or needs access to Crimea is laughable.

[Nearly Sane]

Russia perceives encirclement.
Thing is, the West will not give Ukraine what it needs. Read about how Zedekiah turned to Egypt at the time of the Babylonian invasion. The West needs to repent of it's perverted values, then there will be peace.

What 'perverted values'?

[jeremyp]

Not if Crimea was given back to Ukraine in return for NATO weapons being removed from Ukraine and there was a no NATO membership guarantee.

I think it would be reasonable for Ukraine to drop aspirations of NATO membership in exchange for the Russian murderers leaving their territory under normal circumstances, but the Russian murderers can't be trusted to keep their word. When the war ends, Ukraine - if it still exists - will need protection from the Russian murderers. It will have to join NATO.

Here's another way to look at it. You want peace at any cost. If Ukraine had been a member of NATO in 2022, The Russian murderers would not have invaded.

[jeremyp]

What 'perverted values'?

Well, at least the West has values. Putin clearly has no values.

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Russia perceives encirclement.
Thing is, the West will not give Ukraine what it needs. Read about how Zedekiah turned to Egypt at the time of the Babylonian invasion. The West needs to repent of it's perverted values, then there will be peace.

This is a joke, isn't it? As for "perverted values", do you know what the Russian army does when it's not looting, raping, torturing and murdering civilians? It spends it's time sticking their dicks in each others' mouths and arses, or sends conscripts out on the game. But don't worry, it's totally not gay. It's just rape!

[Nearly Sane]

This is a joke, isn't it? As for "perverted values", do you know what the Russian army does when it's not looting, raping, torturing and murdering civilians? It spends it's time sticking their dicks in each others' mouths and arses, or sends conscripts out on the game. But don't worry, it's totally not gay. It's just rape!

You and Spud seem like mirror images on occasion.

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This is a joke, isn't it? As for "perverted values", do you know what the Russian army does when it's not looting, raping, torturing and murdering civilians? It spends it's time sticking their dicks in each others' mouths and arses, or sends conscripts out on the game. But don't worry, it's totally not gay. It's just rape!

https://t.me/osint_69/2132

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Biggest Russian terror attack of the war. All civilian targets. Over a hundred missiles and drones. In a just world Ukraine's hands would be untied and Moscow would be burning.

https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1740639525993414808?s=19

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Russia deploying POW's to the frontline.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/12/29/isw-russian-media-confirms-russia-deployed-ukrainian-pows-to-front-lines/?swcfpc=1

[Nearly Sane]

Biggest Russian terror attack of the war. All civilian targets. Over a hundred missiles and drones. In a just world Ukraine's hands would be untied and Moscow would be burning.

https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1740639525993414808?s=19

In a just world, Kyiv and Moscow would be working together for the good of their citizens.

[jeremyp]

Biggest Russian terror attack of the war. All civilian targets. Over a hundred missiles and drones. In a just world Ukraine's hands would be untied and Moscow would be burning.

https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1740639525993414808?s=19

Ukraine doesn't have the capability to burn Moscow.

Also, it would just reinforce the Russian narrative. Putin and Spud would be saying "see, they are out to kill us all".

[Dicky Underpants]

Russia perceives encirclement.
Thing is, the West will not give Ukraine what it needs. Read about how Zedekiah turned to Egypt at the time of the Babylonian invasion. The West needs to repent of it's perverted values, then there will be peace.

Your biblical reference makes me think that you are one of those inclined to see world events in terms of prophecies in the Bible, especially Daniel and Revelation.

“At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through. He shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of Ammon” (Daniel 11:40-41).

Do you perhaps see the King of the North as Putin, (the North being allegorically viewed as Russia), and the King of the South as Zelensky, urging the Ukrainians into 'unprovoked' (ho ho) attack on Russia?

Judging by some of your comments to date, I wouldn't be surprised to find you among  the barmy army of Endtimers.

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Rumours Gerasimov may have been killed in a Storm Shadow missile strike on a command post in Sevastopol. Big, if true. The Ukrainian Air Force is cat posting on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/KpsZSU/status/1742940339504091416?s=19

[Maeght]

Rumours Gerasimov may have been killed in a Storm Shadow missile strike on a command post in Sevastopol. Big, if true. The Ukrainian Air Force is cat posting on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/KpsZSU/status/1742940339504091416?s=19

What does posting a cat mean?

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What does posting a cat mean?

It's kind of gloat. I did something, at the expense of someone else.

Btw, cats are based because they are the most naturally ruSSophobic animal.

[Maeght]

It's kind of gloat. I did something, at the expense of someone else.

Btw, cats are based because they are the most naturally ruSSophobic animal.

Thanks. Never heard of that before.

Would be big if true as said.

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Thanks. Never heard of that before.

Would be big if true as said.

Today is Kyrylo Budabov's birthday. He's head of Ukraine's military intelligence. This attack was a gift to the occupiers in Crimea.

[Nearly Sane]

US says Russia using North Korea ballistic missiles.

It's all such a jolly start to the new year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67888793

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US says Russia using North Korea ballistic missiles.

It's all such a jolly start to the new year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67888793

This is so infuriating. While Russia's allies are supplying Russia with weapons, Ukraine's allies (mainly US and Germany) are still dithering about providing Ukraine with missiles that could reach Russia's launch sites. This is costing lives.

[Spud]

This is so infuriating. While Russia's allies are supplying Russia with weapons, Ukraine's allies (mainly US and Germany) are still dithering about providing Ukraine with missiles that could reach Russia's launch sites. This is costing lives.

There is confusion as to whether Russia would invade a NATO ally; Biden says (to justify continuing to send weapons to Ukraine) they will, if they are allowed to win in Ukraine. Yet Jeremy says they won't invade Ukraine if it joins NATO.
Any provision of such missiles would only provoke Russia into a bigger response that would weaken Ukraine more. The only way to defeat Russia would be by using stealth fighters and bombers which would require Western pilots. That would risk nuclear war which the West would lose. The only way to achieve peace is to agree to Russia's terms and trust that it will not invade further territories. Although its Western border is technically already encircled, Crimea seems to be a doorway that it will not allow to be closed, thus Russia will not give it up. William Burns predicted this in 2008.

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There is confusion as to whether Russia would invade a NATO ally; Biden says (to justify continuing to send weapons to Ukraine) they will, if they are allowed to win in Ukraine. Yet Jeremy says they won't invade Ukraine if it joins NATO.
Any provision of such missiles would only provoke Russia into a bigger response that would weaken Ukraine more. The only way to defeat Russia would be by using stealth fighters and bombers which would require Western pilots. That would risk nuclear war which the West would lose. The only way to achieve peace is to agree to Russia's terms and trust that it will not invade further territories. Although its Western border is technically already encircled, Crimea seems to be a doorway that it will not allow to be closed, thus Russia will not give it up. William Burns predicted this in 2008.

Bollocks! Russia has broken every single agreement it ever made. Why would it not break the one you suggest? No! The Weat has it in its means to give Ukraine the weapons it needs. It's merely a question of political will. The Weat needs to forget imaginary red lines. The only language Russia understands is force.

[SqueakyVoice]

Try to remember,  Russia is a big (fairly flat-ish) country and Putin is a jumped up Demagogue, slowly going bald.

There are (or were) some Russians who demonstrated  against Putin's wars and some of them were killed or are in prison. The more times anyone tried to accuse Russia, the more times I'll  point out the protagonist is really a short arsed slaphead. Not a country.

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Try to remember,  Russia is a big (fairly flat-ish) country and Putin is a jumped up Demagogue, slowly going bald.

There are (or were) some Russians who demonstrated  against Putin's wars and some of them were killed or are in prison. The more times anyone tried to accuse Russia, the more times I'll  point out the protagonist is really a short arsed slaphead. Not a country.

It's Russia's war, not just Putin's.

[Spud]

Bollocks! Russia has broken every single agreement it ever made. Why would it not break the one you suggest?

I am not saying it won't, only that the conflicting claims about them attacking NATO territory show that nobody knows whether they would or not. Your suggestion of giving Ukraine long range missiles won't work, it will just be a pr stunt to make it look as though Ukraine can win, and eventually Ukraine's manpower will dry up. The only other options are for NATO to collectively defeat Russia, which it doesn't have the stomach for, or to negotiate and see what happens. I don't believe Russia would want to extend the war into NATO territory, it only wants to keep NATO off it's front doorstep