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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2025 on: September 25, 2024, 01:01:44 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on September 25, 2024, 12:59:13 PM
Sure, if you don't really understand what's going on. Meanwhile, I feel an urge to make a donation to "sign my rocket".

https://x.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1838654612385206734?s=19
Wankery squared.
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« Reply #2026 on: September 25, 2024, 03:52:55 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on September 25, 2024, 01:01:44 PM
Wankery squared.

The problem is that these things are weapons of war and they are designed to kill people. This exercise is childish and pointless because, if the recipient is close enough to read the signature, they are probably going to be killed by the shell. And they won't be the people responsible for the mess. Putin will be hundreds of miles away, in a bunker if there is any sign of incoming munitions.

Most of the people who are killed by these things are conscripts who have been herded together and then force to run at the Ukrainian positions with little chance of survival. They had families and friends and they would rather be there with them than being killed by shells with amusing artwork.

Wankery indeed.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2027 on: September 25, 2024, 04:02:55 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on September 25, 2024, 03:52:55 PM
The problem is that these things are weapons of war and they are designed to kill people. This exercise is childish and pointless because, if the recipient is close enough to read the signature, they are probably going to be killed by the shell. And they won't be the people responsible for the mess. Putin will be hundreds of miles away, in a bunker if there is any sign of incoming munitions.

Most of the people who are killed by these things are conscripts who have been herded together and then force to run at the Ukrainian positions with little chance of survival. They had families and friends and they would rather be there with them than being killed by shells with amusing artwork.

Wankery indeed.

Poor things! Could have just stayed at home.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2028 on: September 25, 2024, 04:21:53 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on September 25, 2024, 04:02:55 PM
Poor things! Could have just stayed at home.
No, they weren't given that choice.
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« Reply #2029 on: September 25, 2024, 04:53:00 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on September 25, 2024, 04:21:53 PM
No, they weren't given that choice.

They always had a choice. However, the meat cube doesn't discriminate.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2030 on: September 25, 2024, 05:02:28 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on September 25, 2024, 04:53:00 PM
They always had a choice. However, the meat cube doesn't discriminate.
they're conscripts of a corrupt state. They have no choice. As so often your attitude mirrors that which you despise.
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« Reply #2031 on: September 25, 2024, 05:20:56 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on September 25, 2024, 05:02:28 PM
they're conscripts of a corrupt state. They have no choice. As so often your attitude mirrors that which you despise.

They had a choice. They could have refused. Not an easy choice but the choice was there. Instead, they chose to loot, rape and murder Ukrainians. Now I get to watch drone footage of them being blown up. No sympathy!
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2032 on: September 26, 2024, 09:20:35 AM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on September 25, 2024, 04:02:55 PM
Poor things! Could have just stayed at home.

No.

They really couldn't.

What part of the word conscript do you not understand?
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2033 on: September 26, 2024, 09:22:01 AM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on September 25, 2024, 05:20:56 PM
They had a choice. They could have refused.
And gone to prison - or to the front anyway.

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Not an easy choice but the choice was there. Instead, they chose to loot, rape and murder Ukrainians.
Most of them don't get that far. They die in meat wave attacks.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2034 on: September 27, 2024, 03:45:57 PM »
One of Orban's top aides, also called Orban but no relation, says that if in Ukraine's shoes Hungary wouldn't resist a russian invasion. Couldn't make it up!🤡 At least it means Nato soldiers don't have to risk their lives for Hungary. Someone tell me why Hungary is in Nato again?
https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-russia-viktor-orban-balazs-orban-ukraine-war-volodymyr-zelenskyy-vladimir-putin/
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2035 on: September 28, 2024, 11:20:49 AM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on September 27, 2024, 03:45:57 PM
One of Orban's top aides, also called Orban but no relation, says that if in Ukraine's shoes Hungary wouldn't resist a russian invasion. Couldn't make it up!🤡 At least it means Nato soldiers don't have to risk their lives for Hungary. Someone tell me why Hungary is in Nato again?
https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-russia-viktor-orban-balazs-orban-ukraine-war-volodymyr-zelenskyy-vladimir-putin/

surely being in NATO is a de facto declaration that you will resist an invasion by Russia.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2036 on: October 01, 2024, 06:39:49 PM »
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« Reply #2037 on: October 04, 2024, 02:56:53 AM »
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2038 on: October 18, 2024, 07:21:16 PM »
And a big welcome to North Korean troops


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vkqwe9wwdo
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« Reply #2039 on: October 18, 2024, 07:26:58 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on October 18, 2024, 07:21:16 PM
And a big welcome to North Korean troops


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vkqwe9wwdo

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2040 on: October 20, 2024, 04:17:58 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on October 18, 2024, 07:21:16 PM
And a big welcome to North Korean troops


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vkqwe9wwdo
Maybe they will help in Kursk but not cross into Ukraine?
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« Reply #2041 on: October 20, 2024, 06:08:45 PM »
Quote from: Spud on October 20, 2024, 04:17:58 PM
Maybe they will help in Kursk but not cross into Ukraine?

No. They just ran out of Buryats to send into meat grinder.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2042 on: October 21, 2024, 10:00:19 AM »
Quote from: Spud on October 20, 2024, 04:17:58 PM
Maybe they will help in Kursk but not cross into Ukraine?

Given their displays so far, the immediate question is help who?

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2043 on: October 21, 2024, 05:03:32 PM »
Quote from: Outrider on October 21, 2024, 10:00:19 AM
Given their displays so far, the immediate question is help who?

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'their' meaning the Russians, pr North Koreans?
Someone on YouTube speculated that the Koreans would help Russia to recapture Kursk. Iirc the two countries have a defence agreement which was in place before Ukraine's incursion into Kursk.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2044 on: October 21, 2024, 07:15:37 PM »
Quote from: Spud on October 21, 2024, 05:03:32 PM
'their' meaning the Russians, pr North Koreans?

Equally applicable to either, from what I can tell.

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Someone on YouTube speculated that the Koreans would help Russia to recapture Kursk.

I'm not sure, at this point, the North Koreans could help Putin recapture Moscow, and they haven't lost that yet.

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Iirc the two countries have a defence agreement which was in place before Ukraine's incursion into Kursk.

So presumably you're about to start ripping into Kim Jong Un for prolonging the bloodshed and sending troops to a pointless combat zone, suggesting that Putin should just give up Kursk and sue for peace to avoid anyone else dying?

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2045 on: October 22, 2024, 03:46:11 AM »
Indeed. Kursk was once Ukraine according to some maps, including Bryansk, Bilhorod and most of the east coast of the Sea of Azov. Putin loves old maps.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2046 on: November 01, 2024, 09:07:06 AM »
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2047 on: November 17, 2024, 09:29:02 PM »
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« Reply #2048 on: November 18, 2024, 02:43:46 AM »
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2049 on: November 20, 2024, 05:29:11 PM »
So effectively UK follows Biden?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c20726y20kvt ;So
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