Arming the Ukrainians

[Spud]

Ukraine wasn't shelling Donetsk or Lugansk before Russians invaded it, nor was there any indication that they would.

If that is true then please explain why these elderly people from near the city of Donetsk say (on 3 February 2022) they've been living in a bomb shelter for nearly 8 years.
https://youtu.be/-brDwwkHUdw?si=ywZ2xltYfWMtIDLx

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If that is true then please explain why these elderly people from near the city of Donetsk say (on 3 February 2022) they've been living in a bomb shelter for nearly 8 years.
https://youtu.be/-brDwwkHUdw?si=ywZ2xltYfWMtIDLx

Ah! Patrick Lancaster, the proven liar. We've gone through this before. Also, many of these people were crisis actors.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022/02/28/exploiting-cadavers-and-faked-ieds-experts-debunk-staged-pre-war-provocation-in-the-donbas/

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/07/14/victims-of-donbas-genocide-were-paid-actors-prigozhins-fired-trolls-reveal/

This is what really happened:

https://x.com/5G_Reptilian/status/1736224061121040788?s=19

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If that is true then please explain why these elderly people from near the city of Donetsk say (on 3 February 2022) they've been living in a bomb shelter for nearly 8 years.
https://youtu.be/-brDwwkHUdw?si=ywZ2xltYfWMtIDLx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Lancaster

[Outrider]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Lancaster

Arguably the most telling piece of this is: "Lancaster has often appeared on Alex Jones' InfoWars show."...

Is any further comment necessary?

O.

[Spud]

Ah! Patrick Lancaster, the proven liar. We've gone through this before. Also, many of these people were crisis actors.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022/02/28/exploiting-cadavers-and-faked-ieds-experts-debunk-staged-pre-war-provocation-in-the-donbas/

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/07/14/victims-of-donbas-genocide-were-paid-actors-prigozhins-fired-trolls-reveal/

This is what really happened:

https://x.com/5G_Reptilian/status/1736224061121040788?s=19

If you look at his YouTube channel, he has a lot of videos showing the aftermaths of shelling of residential areas in Donbass, between 2014-22. It doesn't  make sense to say that these were carried out by Russia or separatists. Or that they were staged.

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If you look at his YouTube channel, he has a lot of videos showing the aftermaths of shelling of residential areas in Donbass, between 2014-22.

He has videos of areas that appear to have been shelled - how confident are we that these areas are in Donbass?

It doesn't  make sense to say that these were carried out by Russia or separatists.

How does it not make sense? Your presumption here is that Russia would not repurpose damage that it has caused, deliberately or through incompetence - I'm not making that assumption.

Or that they were staged.

It's Russia. The potential that any given piece of evidence is staged is always a consideration. It's almost as though, and I think this might have been mentioned before, but RUSSIA LIES. PUTIN LIES.

O.