Rwanda and asylum seekers

[Nearly Sane]

I could just read this and shake my head and groan 'Swindon' but despite my lack of love for the place, it's not atypical. I also hear echoes from across the years and the Atlantic from Harlan Ellison's 1969 essay The Common Man based around a TV show that was a vox pop of 5 middle class Americans. It's in his collection The Glass Teat but I can't find a free to read link.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67630766

[jeremyp]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67627696

We have now sent more home secretaries to Rwanda than asylum seekers.

[Outrider]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67627696

We have now sent more home secretaries to Rwanda than asylum seekers.

Don't stop now: May, Javid, Rudd, Patel....

O.

[Nearly Sane]

Braverman fights for the arsesoul of the Tory Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67639843

[Nearly Sane]

Jenrick resigns.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67640833

[Aruntraveller]

Was just about to post this myself.

Clearly, he and Braverman had this planned today.

[Nearly Sane]

Was just about to post this myself.

Clearly, he and Braverman had this planned today.

Worth remembering this

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/robert-jenrick-richard-desmond-planning-application-scandal-corruption-458029

[Gordon]

I don't know whether this is descending into madness or farce. A former Tory solicitor general is reported, on the BBC, as saying;

"Parliament is being required to pass a law that says a cat is a dog even when there’s no evidence to suggest that’s true and you cannot challenge it."

[Nearly Sane]

Apparently the mood is bleak in the Tory party after Jenrick's resignation:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67644952

Because feeling sorry for themselves rather than for what they've done to people is the as much as this collection of thieves, liars, con artists, pimps, autofellating abusers can manage. My shite has more morals, my pish more intellect.

And the thing is I know there are decent members of the party, even decent elected officials, amazingly even decent MPs but I can't understand why it's not at the stage when they just don't want to be associated with this. It's not that it's actually evil, it's just amoral but also incompetent.

The slow rotting scandals of Grenfell, and Windrush, were added to yesterday by the so slow, so insufficient reaction to the Hillsborough report that Theresa May called them out on it. The oleaginous simperings going on at the Covid inquiry where the incompetence is being used as a figleaf for the corruption and attacks on the rule of law.

There is a time to fight for your party but, surely at some point, you have to recognise that it is no longer noble to stand beside and therefore support this ratfuck?

[Aruntraveller]

So No. 10 has just tweeted this:

"We are a reasonable country, but our patience has now run out.

Our Parliament is sovereign, and it should be able to make decisions that cannot be undone in our courts.

That’s what this emergency legislation delivers."

Think about that. Long and hard.

[Nearly Sane]

So No. 10 has just tweeted this:

"We are a reasonable country, but our patience has now run out.

Our Parliament is sovereign, and it should be able to make decisions that cannot be undone in our courts.

That’s what this emergency legislation delivers."

Think about that. Long and hard.

https://youtu.be/VxWwm3agF5o?si=w4a6vRER9Rc9JkXd

[SqueakyVoice]

Immigration https://liveapp.inews.co.uk/2023/12/07/rishi-sunaks-new-migration-laws-may-cause-inflation-to-rise-say-economists/content.html

Economists and businesses have warned that plans to slash the number of legal migrants arriving into the UK could push up inflation and curb economic growth

Sunak wants to cut inflation, increase growth /and/ cut migration.

Decisions, decisions,... decisions, well at least /some/ of them must be hard to make.

[Nearly Sane]

Ok, I'll go, just give me the money

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67656220

[SqueakyVoice]

Ok, I'll go, just give me the money

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67656220

The cost of popcorn has shot up. I wonder how much that will affect inflation?

[Nearly Sane]

When you say stop the boats, what you mean is pay 700m to plan for not stopping the boats....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67677933

[Aruntraveller]

Interesting fact, in the agreement with Rwanda if any of the people we deport there commit a crime which carries a sentence longer than 5 years then Rwanda has the right to return that person to the UK.

Quite an incentive to commit a crime.

[Gordon]

You have to wonder why they are pursuing this Rwanda policy at all - it seems to be full of risks that at the very least will turn it into a soap opera, where even if they get a couple of planes in the air before the next election it will still appear futile given the money they have spent.

There is also 'the British people want/expect us to do this' mantra - but is that really the case, or is it more the case that they have concluded that some Tory voters, or potential Tory voters, support this policy?

With any luck, one way or another, this policy will bring down this noxious apology for a government.

[SqueakyVoice]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/dec/11/rishi-sunak-covid-inquiry-conservatives-rwanda-asylum-bill-uk-politics-live?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-657719d58f08daf1a2a75e0f#block-657719d58f08daf1a2a75e0f
Government publishes its legal assessment of Rwanda bill

there is a clear lawful basis on which a responsible government may proceed.

If you want to know which Government is responsible, just flip a coin.

[SqueakyVoice]

The only question... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/11/gary-lineker-and-brian-cox-back-call-to-scrap-rwanda-scheme ... is where do I sign?

[Nearly Sane]

The only question... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/11/gary-lineker-and-brian-cox-back-call-to-scrap-rwanda-scheme ... is where do I sign?

The left on the Tory party have decided to support the bill, I suspect because they hope it will fail in the courts.

[Nearly Sane]

Meanwhile in France


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67683314

[jeremyp]

The left on the Tory party have decided to support the bill, I suspect because they hope it will fail in the courts.

Or because a failed bill will destroy the Tory party much sooner than the scheduled date of 28th January 2025.

[Nearly Sane]

Or because a failed bill will destroy the Tory party much sooner than the scheduled date of 28th January 2025.

False dichotomy. I think that's definitely the msin part pf their motivation but they assuaged their consciences with the thought that dpung something they that was immoral wasn't quite as bad as it wouldn't happen.

[Nearly Sane]

Asylum seeker dies on the barge. Probaly a fairly likely thing to happen at some point but it's all symbolism now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67692099

[jeremyp]

False dichotomy.

What? I didn't propose a dichotomy.

I think that's definitely the msin part pf their motivation but they assuaged their consciences with the thought that dpung something they that was immoral wasn't quite as bad as it wouldn't happen.

I agree with that. They justify voting for a despicable law on the grounds that it failing would be complete disaster and it will hopefully be struck down by the courts anyway.