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Re: The next PM...
« Reply #250 on: August 05, 2022, 11:38:30 AM »
I don't think it's irrelevant. If there are enough people who feel similarly to me, then the BMA's view might become irrelevant.
With respect - I think the BMA know an awful lot more about trust between patients and medical professionals than either you or I. And trust between a medical professional and a patient is something that rests at the level of an individual - so the notion that a different patient has trust is irrelevant when considering trust in the context of the patient sitting in front of you as a medical professional.

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« Reply #251 on: August 05, 2022, 02:07:00 PM »
My ballot paper has arrived today, so when I find out how to use it, I think I will vote for Rishi Sunak; not because he's a person I want to take the position - I don't want either of them - but he's marginally less likely to nake major errors ... I hope!
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« Reply #252 on: August 05, 2022, 02:18:04 PM »
My ballot paper has arrived today, so when I find out how to use it, I think I will vote for Rishi Sunak; not because he's a person I want to take the position - I don't want either of them - but he's marginally less likely to nake major errors ... I hope!
Interesting that it has arrived, with the delays after concerns from GCHQ about hacking.

Will you vote straightaway or wait in case there is some bombshell about either candidate. I know the original plan was to allow members to vote and then change their vote later, but that was what was considered to be a hackers-dream scenario.

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« Reply #253 on: August 05, 2022, 02:28:17 PM »
My ballot paper has arrived today, so when I find out how to use it, I think I will vote for Rishi Sunak; not because he's a person I want to take the position - I don't want either of them - but he's marginally less likely to nake major errors ... I hope!
I think your post should be used as the definition of damning with faint praise.

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« Reply #254 on: August 05, 2022, 02:44:56 PM »
I think your post should be used as the definition of damning with faint praise.
Indeed - Susan, ever thought you were in the wrong party?

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« Reply #255 on: August 05, 2022, 03:41:45 PM »
Indeed - Susan, ever thought you were in the wrong party?
If just thinking the leader was useless was a guide though, there would be a lot fewer members in most parties most of the time

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« Reply #256 on: August 05, 2022, 05:23:11 PM »
Indeed - Susan, ever thought you were in the wrong party?
No! How about giving me a run-down in a few lines of the virtues,  values and benefits of the other party which you think would prvide such a superior government for the country that I would simply have to change  allegiance!!
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« Reply #257 on: August 05, 2022, 06:18:10 PM »
No! How about giving me a run-down in a few lines of the virtues,  values and benefits of the other party which you think would prvide such a superior government for the country that I would simply have to change  allegiance!!
There are more than one alternative parties available. Alternatively you could simply cease to be a member of any political party - there is no obligation to be a member of any party.

That's what I did when I felt that the party I was a member of no longer had a leader I had confidence in and policies I felt were appropriate. In my case I felt strongly that the party had moved, not me - that the party no longer had the same competence, leadership and overall vision/policies it had when I joined and when I was an activist and, a couple of times, a council candidate.

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« Reply #258 on: August 09, 2022, 10:40:25 AM »
No! How about giving me a run-down in a few lines of the virtues,  values and benefits of the other party which you think would prvide such a superior government for the country that I would simply have to change  allegiance!!

I think that one of the problems we face, compounded by an indefensible first-past-the-post electoral system, is that neither of the major parties represent any real political philosophy. They are essentially tribal in their appeal - but with most of the elements of this tribalism having largely become no longer relevant in the third decade of the twenty first century.
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« Reply #259 on: August 15, 2022, 10:26:35 AM »
Shocking news revealed by Truss

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« Reply #260 on: August 17, 2022, 08:37:40 AM »
"Work shys, scroungers, lay abouts. You have only yourselves to blame." Tory boygirl.*

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/16/leaked-audio-reveals-liz-truss-said-british-workers-needed-more-graft 
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« Reply #261 on: August 17, 2022, 02:45:53 PM »
"Work shys, scroungers, lay abouts. You have only yourselves to blame." Tory boygirl.*

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/16/leaked-audio-reveals-liz-truss-said-british-workers-needed-more-graft 
* ((C) H Enfield, decades ago.)

Difficult to know if that will work for or against her with:
a) the Tory party members voting in the leadership election
b) the electorate in a general election

No one thinks they are work shy or scroungers but many seem ready to accuse others of being so.

There's no sign that anything she proposes will actually help with the productivity problems that need to be fixed.
   
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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« Reply #262 on: August 17, 2022, 09:30:06 PM »
Difficult to know if that will work...
Well, you might want to watch this documentary.   
https://youtu.be/9oQ_tbf6j2A
(From theBeeb)
 
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« Reply #263 on: August 18, 2022, 10:32:56 AM »
Well, you might want to watch this documentary.   
https://youtu.be/9oQ_tbf6j2A
(From theBeeb)

Ah I see, randomly insulting the UK public bound to get you a good majority!
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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« Reply #264 on: August 18, 2022, 10:40:14 AM »

Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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« Reply #265 on: August 18, 2022, 10:43:26 AM »



 That would be amusing if it wasn't so true!
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« Reply #266 on: August 19, 2022, 08:21:07 PM »
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« Reply #267 on: August 26, 2022, 12:50:04 PM »
With respect - I think the BMA know an awful lot more about trust between patients and medical professionals than either you or I. And trust between a medical professional and a patient is something that rests at the level of an individual - so the notion that a different patient has trust is irrelevant when considering trust in the context of the patient sitting in front of you as a medical professional.
The BMA may think they know something but I think it should be up to the public to decide about charging fees, not the BMA. The BMA are not usually facing the problems ordinary members of the public face - most of their members probably opt for private healthcare.

My view is that necessity means people have limited choices even if fees are charged for treatment or a penalty imposed for missing appointments - if you want your illness or problem to be assessed and treated by someone qualified and trained in medicine you have to  see a medical professional regardless of whether you feel you trust them or not because you have paid something towards treatment. Hopefully self-preservation will kick in for the ill person and they will go to a doctor (plenty to choose from) even if they have to pay, and ignore any feelings of distrust caused by payment of fees. If they don't want to go to the doctor due to distrusting all doctors they have to pay for, not much anyone can do about that.

Whether you trust them or not based on having to pay a fee doesn't alter the fact that seeing them is your only option if you want to be treated by a qualified professional. At least that's been my experience with private healthcare - you get the diagnosis and treatment options and then decide if you want to go ahead. Same with NHS - you can't trust the doctor to get it right in the NHS as medical treatment is often figured out by a process of elimination of possible conditions through tests and guesswork and somtimes you are unlucky and your doctor has not had the particular experience or has not read a particular article or can't recall it if they have read it in order to diagnose correctly. Sometimes you are unlucky and the test comes back with a false negative. I have experienced misdiagnosis from the NHS.

Luckily my mum is a doctor (retired) and therefore either she has recalled some obscure article she may have read or she has chatted with colleagues and relatives who are still doctors and between them someone has recalled something to figure out the reason for certain symptoms for people in our extended family, whereas the official NHS doctor or the private doctor being consulted by the patient has not figured it out yet. Whether fees are being paid towards medical treatment has been irrelevant in this process, other than you get quicker access and treatment if you pay - either via insurance or personally. 
 
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Re: The next PM...
« Reply #268 on: August 26, 2022, 04:20:52 PM »

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« Reply #269 on: August 26, 2022, 10:20:18 PM »
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« Reply #270 on: September 01, 2022, 08:29:00 PM »

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« Reply #271 on: September 03, 2022, 09:49:09 AM »
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Jacob Rees-Mogg blocking major UK tourism campaign

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/03/jacob-rees-mogg-blocking-major-uk-tourism-campaign

Just imagine. All those foreigners.  Coming over here. Paying our services. Buying our tat.

That reminds me... they won't  even pay for our Tate.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/02/festival-of-brexit-unboxed-disaster

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 Total fiasco, you say? Appalling waste of public money, you say? Completely different to what was promised, you say? Despite having been years in the planning, no one knew what it was actually supposed to look like, you say? The people who came up with it are blaming its failure on anyone but themselves, you say? I mean … I mourn the time when a metaphor stole imperceptibly into the British consciousness...
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« Reply #272 on: September 03, 2022, 10:13:30 AM »
Did anyone else watch the Beeb's "Have I got news for Boris" last night?
Probably one of HIGNFY's better offerings.
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« Reply #273 on: September 03, 2022, 06:18:01 PM »
The sheer poverty of thought by Truss and her supporters is mind freezing.


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« Reply #274 on: September 04, 2022, 01:38:38 PM »
The sheer poverty of thought by Truss and her supporters is mind freezing.


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Let her try. If the workers lose their entitlement to take two weeks off to go to Magaluf or wherever, I can't see it ending well for the government that does it. I think she'll share James Callaghan's fate
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