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Re: The next PM...
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2022, 11:17:37 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2022, 12:17:06 PM »
I see Grant Shapps has pulled out. He had the necessary number of supporters but they didn't all vote for the same name.


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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2022, 12:54:18 PM »
I see Grant Shapps has pulled out. He had the necessary number of supporters but they didn't all vote for the same name.
But the flip side is that both Grant Shapps and Michael Green will have a vote in the MPs ballot ;)

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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2022, 01:47:08 PM »
I see Grant Shapps has pulled out. He had the necessary number of supporters but they didn't all vote for the same name.
Pity BJ didn't pull out a few times - he'd have fewer illegitimate kids.
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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2022, 04:52:24 PM »
Pity BJ didn't pull out a few times - he'd have fewer illegitimate kids.

Are you saying you'd prefer it if those children didn't exist?
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« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2022, 09:35:23 AM »
Are you saying you'd prefer it if those children didn't exist?
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« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2022, 09:54:35 AM »
Pity BJ didn't pull out a few times - he'd have fewer illegitimate kids.

But all of this does not concern "BJ". Ask any one of the women concerned for the name of  their bed mate and she will answer "AL".
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« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2022, 10:12:07 AM »
But all of this does not concern "BJ". Ask any one of the women concerned for the name of  their bed mate and she will answer "AL".
What are you on about?
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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2022, 10:13:52 AM »
What are you on about?

Al for Alexander I would guess.
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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2022, 10:15:33 AM »
Al for Alexander I would guess.
He doesn't have a name beginning with L.
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« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2022, 10:19:10 AM »
He doesn't have a name beginning with L.

Not sure HH was mimicking the BJ thing that closely, anyway no doubt he'll clarify if he wants to.
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« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2022, 10:21:36 AM »
What are you on about?

his name is Alexander ... and he is usually called "Al".  "Boris" is an elaborate brand that he has developed ... it is a seperate identity from Al.

Boris   ...  or BJ as you put it ...  is not the one making the babies. I was told once that Carrie, on one occasion before they were married, openly characterised his horizontal performance as "Alexander the Great".


Sorry about the confusion. I had typed Al and I thought that it might be misinterpreted as A1.
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« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2022, 10:31:05 AM »
his name is Alexander ... and he is usually called "Al".  "Boris" is an elaborate brand that he has developed ... it is a seperate identity from Al.

Boris   ...  or BJ as you put it ...  is not the one making the babies. I was told once that Carrie, on one occasion before they were married, openly characterised his horizontal performance as "Alexander the Great".


Sorry about the confusion. I had typed Al and I thought that it might be misinterpreted as A1.
He has as many names as he has faces but when I met him, unfortunately often, 35ish years ago he went by Boris.

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« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2022, 10:36:37 AM »
He has as many names as he has faces but when I met him, unfortunately often, 35ish years ago he went by Boris.

You shameless name-dropper.
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« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2022, 10:39:16 AM »
He developed the Boris identity when he was at some charity school just outsde Windsor.
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« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2022, 11:50:31 AM »
Of the 8, only Sunak seems to have clue on how the economy could be managed for the better: addressing cost of living, levelling up and NHS and care funding. However, given his performance under Johnson and his background in banking I don't feel he can be trusted to work in the interest of the country overall rather than those of particular individuals or institutions.

Somehow I expect Tugendhat to have some moral fibre ... but seems to have no idea how to actually run a government/economy/country (?).

That all of the candidates support the "Rwanda" policy speaks volumes.
   

 
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« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2022, 12:26:32 PM »

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« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2022, 12:29:15 PM »
Of the 8, only Sunak seems to have clue on how the economy could be managed for the better: addressing cost of living, levelling up and NHS and care funding. However, given his performance under Johnson and his background in banking I don't feel he can be trusted to work in the interest of the country overall rather than those of particular individuals or institutions.

Somehow I expect Tugendhat to have some moral fibre ... but seems to have no idea how to actually run a government/economy/country (?).

That all of the candidates support the "Rwanda" policy speaks volumes.
   
You mean Sunak who has been Chancellor of the Ecgequer has a clue about getting the country out of a mess which, he, Sunak, was Chancellor of the Exchequer, got the country into?
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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2022, 12:42:02 PM »
Of the 8, only Sunak seems to have clue on how the economy could be managed for the better: addressing cost of living, levelling up and NHS and care funding. However, given his performance under Johnson and his background in banking I don't feel he can be trusted to work in the interest of the country overall rather than those of particular individuals or institutions.

Somehow I expect Tugendhat to have some moral fibre ... but seems to have no idea how to actually run a government/economy/country (?).

That all of the candidates support the "Rwanda" policy speaks volumes.
   
The notion that people are talking up Tugendhat, Mourdant, Badenoch and Braverman as credible candidates is, frankly, terrifying on lack of experience grounds.

For as far back as we can remember (certainly back into the 1800s - I gave up going any further back) every PM has either held one of the great offices of state (Chancellor, Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary) or has been successful as Leader of the Opposition (successful enough to have won a general election). So if any of these four became PM they'd be the least experience person to become PM since Queen Victoria was on the thrown.

And there is a reason why every person becoming PM has had that experience - firstly because it is preparation for the top job, but also gives you credibility with your fellow ministers etc. Can you really imagine PM Badenoch or PM Tugendhat credibly leading highly experienced ministers such as Hunt, Sunak, Truss etc - or would these people all have to be relegated to the back benches to allow her to surround herself with people less credible and experienced.

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« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2022, 01:06:19 PM »
The notion that people are talking up Tugendhat, Mourdant, Badenoch and Braverman as credible candidates is, frankly, terrifying on lack of experience grounds.

For as far back as we can remember (certainly back into the 1800s - I gave up going any further back) every PM has either held one of the great offices of state (Chancellor, Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary) or has been successful as Leader of the Opposition (successful enough to have won a general election). So if any of these four became PM they'd be the least experience person to become PM since Queen Victoria was on the thrown.

And there is a reason why every person becoming PM has had that experience - firstly because it is preparation for the top job, but also gives you credibility with your fellow ministers etc. Can you really imagine PM Badenoch or PM Tugendhat credibly leading highly experienced ministers such as Hunt, Sunak, Truss etc - or would these people all have to be relegated to the back benches to allow her to surround herself with people less credible and experienced.
and yet Johnson.

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« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2022, 01:11:37 PM »
and yet Johnson.
Was Foreign Secretary - not saying that prior experience will make you good as PM, but I think it is a pretty tough ask, both in terms of being prepared for the top job and having authority, if you've never done anything more than a couple of junior ministerial roles and never run a department.

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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2022, 01:39:51 PM »
Was Foreign Secretary - not saying that prior experience will make you good as PM, but I think it is a pretty tough ask, both in terms of being prepared for the top job and having authority, if you've never done anything more than a couple of junior ministerial roles and never run a department.
Yes, I know he was Foreign Secretary, and a spectacularly useless one. The point is you are arguing that somehow that made him better prepared to be PM.

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« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2022, 01:45:13 PM »
Yes, I know he was Foreign Secretary, and a spectacularly useless one. The point is you are arguing that somehow that made him better prepared to be PM.
I think it did - just imagine how useful he'd have been if he'd not had that experience or running a major Whitehall department and engaging with foreign leaders.

I don't doubt he was useless as Foreign Secretary and as PM but that doesn't mean that his experience as Foreign Secretary didn't make a slightly better PM than he would have been had he not had that experience.

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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2022, 02:19:51 PM »
I think it did - just imagine how useful he'd have been if he'd not had that experience or running a major Whitehall department and engaging with foreign leaders.

I don't doubt he was useless as Foreign Secretary and as PM but that doesn't mean that his experience as Foreign Secretary didn't make a slightly better PM than he would have been had he not had that experience.
I would rather a vague sense of ennui that couldn't spell MP had been PM rather than the oleaginous turdbubble but off you go with your appreciation of an approach that helped the boak-inducing pricktoast PM. 

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« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2022, 02:30:56 PM »
I would rather a vague sense of ennui that couldn't spell MP had been PM rather than the oleaginous turdbubble but off you go with your appreciation of an approach that helped the boak-inducing pricktoast PM.
To return to my actual point.

If MPs and members select Tugendhat, Mourdant, Badenoch or Braverman they will be selecting the least experienced person to become PM since Queen Victoria was on the throne. I find that concerning.