Voter suppression

[Nearly Sane]

More corruption from the rank govt


https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/07/voter-id-its-far-worse-than-any-us-state/

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I don't know all the in's and out's of this, having not lived in the UK for 22 years now, but I do find it strange that there's such an uproar about having to give proof of identification. Here on the continent it's the norm.

[Aruntraveller]

I don't know all the in's and out's of this, having not lived in the UK for 22 years now, but I do find it strange that there's such an uproar about having to give proof of identification. Here on the continent it's the norm.

I think it's the fact that nearly all the forms of ID are ones that you acquire as you get older, and therefore younger people voting for the first time could be excluded. Voter ID per se I don't have a particular problem with, although other viewpoints are available, but if you are going to have it, have a standard ID card that is issued to everybody over the age of 18. (Is it 16 in Scotland?)

[Nearly Sane]

I don't know all the in's and out's of this, having not lived in the UK for 22 years now, but I do find it strange that there's such an uproar about having to give proof of identification. Here on the continent it's the norm.

The problem with proof of identity is there is not a standatd identity card in place. This leads to a chposing of what is acceptable and as the article covers  that choice cab be and has been highly politicised.

The specific uproar about having a specified standard identity card is in the main seperate to the above issue. It's one of those weird ingrained  issues thar is linked up with suspicions of continental ways.

[Nearly Sane]

I think it's the fact that nearly all the forms of ID are ones that you acquire as you get older, and therefore younger people voting for the first time could be excluded. Voter ID per see I don't have a particular problem with, although other viewpoints are available, but if you are going to have it, have a standard ID card that is issued to everybody over the age of 18. (Is it 16 in Scotland?)

It is on certain votes, so the card would have to cover that. Like you I wouldn't be averse to such a thing but it has opposition from across the political spectrum.

[ProfessorDavey]

I think it's the fact that nearly all the forms of ID are ones that you acquire as you get older, and therefore younger people voting for the first time could be excluded. Voter ID per se I don't have a particular problem with, although other viewpoints are available, but if you are going to have it, have a standard ID card that is issued to everybody over the age of 18. (Is it 16 in Scotland?)

I'm not sure that is true and I'm sure somewhere I saw research suggesting that the people most likely not to have ID are the very elderly, those that no longer drive and have a passport that has lapsed as they no longer travel much.

Actually my experience is that young people tend to have ID and tend to have it on them, as they need it to get into bars etc. I virtually never have photo ID on me, my 24 and 21 year old kids always do.

I agree with you that we should have a standard ID card for everyone - many other countries do and I don't hear much complaint about big brother. The other benefit is that it would help to determine who is in the country legally and illegally. Our crazy country is one where we seem obsessed with immigration, yet have no sensible way to count it nor to determine who is and who is not allowed to be here.

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I think it's the fact that nearly all the forms of ID are ones that you acquire as you get older, and therefore younger people voting for the first time could be excluded. Voter ID per se I don't have a particular problem with, although other viewpoints are available, but if you are going to have it, have a standard ID card that is issued to everybody over the age of 18. (Is it 16 in Scotland?)

Ok. Thanks. The only comparision I have is how how things work here in Finland. You can get an ID card though that's not compulsory. A driving licence, passport, or a NI card with a photo are all acceptable but you can't vote if you turn up with just the piece of paper you get through the post.

[Nearly Sane]

Interesting practical issues.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/30/wednesday-briefing-first-edition-voter-id-electoral-systems