Lady Susan Hussey

[Harrowby Hall]

My first thought on seeing  the recording of the interchange between Mary Hussey and Ngosi Fulami was that Hussey is probably slightly demented. However, the incident  did result in apology and removal of Hussey.


On another site, I came across the infomation appended below.

   Ngozi Fulani , real name , Mary Headley is a British born citizen of Barbadian descent who changed her name as an adult.

   A British citizen who chooses to wear traditional African dress when she's probably never been there in her life.

   A British citizen who sets up and runs a charity for black victims of domestic violence, going so far as to refuse to assist women who are mixed race.

   A British citizen who needs to explain a 180000 pound discrepancy in her charity's accounts.

   A British citizen who has made clear in the not to distant past that the is anti monarchy.

Assuming this is all correct, did the press and the British public jump too soon?

For the record, I abhor racial hatred and discrimination.

[Nearly Sane]

Is there a none of the above option?

Susan Hussey based on the conversation seems racist. Ngozi Fulani seems racist too.

And when you said 'information', you mean incoherent racist rant?

[SteveH]

And when you said 'information', you mean incoherent racist rant?

If it's true, what's racist about it? Are we not allowed to criticise black people? Am I racist if I criticise Kamikwasi Kwarteng or Nutella Braverman? You sound like the uncritical supporters of Israel who start squealing about antisemitism if anyone criticises it.

[Aruntraveller]

If it's true, what's racist about it? Are we not allowed to criticise black people? Am I racist if I criticise Kamikwasi Kwarteng or Nutella Braverman? You sound like the uncritical supporters of Israel who start squealing about antisemitism if anyone criticises it.

Not defending anyone here but it would be nice to know the original source of the listed allegations/facts. I've searched and have found the usual bollocks on GBnews over this sort of issue but can't see anything from more reputable sources.

[Nearly Sane]

If it's true, what's racist about it? Are we not allowed to criticise black people? Am I racist if I criticise Kamikwasi Kwarteng or Nutella Braverman? You sound like the uncritical supporters of Israel who start squealing about antisemitism if anyone criticises it.

Can you read or does your knee post for you?

[SteveH]

Not defending anyone here but it would be nice to know the original source of the listed allegations/facts. I've searched and have found the usual bollocks on GBnews over this sort of issue but can't see anything from more reputable sources.

I did say "IF it's true".

[Spud]

My first thoughts were that I have on several occasions when I've met someone new who doesn't look British, asked them where they're from, and they turned out to have been born in Britain. It's a bit awkward but one of those things that we can't do much about.

Hussey may have just been making polite conversation - apparently it's a common ice-breaker in royal circles. Was it actually racist for her to think Fulani isn't British?

[Maeght]

My first thoughts were that I have on several occasions when I've met someone new who doesn't look British, asked them where they're from, and they turned out to have been born in Britain. It's a bit awkward but one of those things that we can't do much about.

Hussey may have just been making polite conversation - apparently it's a common ice-breaker in royal circles. Was it actually racist for her to think Fulani isn't British?

You can. You can stop asking people that question!

She is reported to have she repeatedly asked a black British charity boss where she was "really" from, so not accepting the answer that she is British.

[Spud]

You can. You can stop asking people that question!

She is reported to have she repeatedly asked a black British charity boss where she was "really" from, so not accepting the answer that she is British.

What if someone is born somewhere and then moves away and lives somewhere else. My English friend was born in Ethiopia to English parents. Is he Ethiopian?

[jeremyp]

My first thought on seeing  the recording of the interchange between Mary Hussey and Ngosi Fulami was that Hussey is probably slightly demented. However, the incident  did result in apology and removal of Hussey.


On another site, I came across the infomation appended below.

   Ngozi Fulani , real name , Mary Headley is a British born citizen of Barbadian descent who changed her name as an adult.

   A British citizen who chooses to wear traditional African dress when she's probably never been there in her life.

   A British citizen who sets up and runs a charity for black victims of domestic violence, going so far as to refuse to assist women who are mixed race.

   A British citizen who needs to explain a 180000 pound discrepancy in her charity's accounts.

   A British citizen who has made clear in the not to distant past that the is anti monarchy.

Assuming this is all correct, did the press and the British public jump too soon?

For the record, I abhor racial hatred and discrimination.

I'd like to know if all the above is true.

I found this:

https://twitter.com/Sistah_Space/status/1597854380115767296?s=20&t=ZXmbtH3ESWkYJpVpqPzNvQ

which confirms some of it. I'd be interested to know how Ms Fulani remembers the transcript in such detail.

[bluehillside Retd.]

HH,

My first thought on seeing  the recording of the interchange between Mary Hussey and Ngosi Fulami was that Hussey is probably slightly demented. However, the incident  did result in apology and removal of Hussey.


On another site, I came across the infomation appended below.

   Ngozi Fulani , real name , Mary Headley is a British born citizen of Barbadian descent who changed her name as an adult.

   A British citizen who chooses to wear traditional African dress when she's probably never been there in her life.

   A British citizen who sets up and runs a charity for black victims of domestic violence, going so far as to refuse to assist women who are mixed race.

   A British citizen who needs to explain a 180000 pound discrepancy in her charity's accounts.

   A British citizen who has made clear in the not to distant past that the is anti monarchy.

Assuming this is all correct, did the press and the British public jump too soon?

For the record, I abhor racial hatred and discrimination.

I have no idea whether some of that, all of it or none of it is true. That’s not what Lady Susan Hussey asked about though – rather she asked where Ngosi Fulami was “from”, reportedly repeatedly when she wasn’t satisfied with the initial answer (“yes, but where are you really from?”) – presumably in a way she wouldn’t have done had Fulami been white and in Western dress.

Of course that’s awful, but I’m increasingly uncomfortable too with the piling on of opprobrium on someone who stepped down immediately this came to light, and can’t help but be reminded of the fate of Lady Isobel Barnett after she was publicly shamed:

“In her last years, Lady Barnett became reclusive and eccentric. In 1980 she was found guilty of shoplifting, and fined £75 for stealing a can of tuna and a carton of cream worth 87 pence from her village grocer. This brought her briefly back into the public eye; four days later on 20 October, she was found dead at her home in Cossington, Leicestershire.

A coroner's inquest subsequently ruled that Lady Barnett killed herself with an overdose of painkillers in her bath…”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isobel_Barnett

Let’s hope not.

[Maeght]

What if someone is born somewhere and then moves away and lives somewhere else. My English friend was born in Ethiopia to English parents. Is he Ethiopian?

What does that have to do with someone asking a black person where they are from, then repeatedly asking where they are really from - not accepting the answer given?

[Udayana]

What if someone is born somewhere and then moves away and lives somewhere else. My English friend was born in Ethiopia to English parents. Is he Ethiopian?

Well maybe next time you see him you should beat him down with questions? Get him to confess to being the wrong colour?

[Udayana]

HH,

I have no idea whether some of that, all of it or none of it is true. That’s not what Lady Susan Hussey asked about though – rather she asked where Ngosi Fulami was “from”, reportedly repeatedly when she wasn’t satisfied with the initial answer (“yes, but where are you really from?”) – presumably in a way she wouldn’t have done had Fulami been white and in Western dress.

Of course that’s awful, but I’m increasingly uncomfortable too with the piling on of opprobrium on someone who stepped down immediately this came to light, and can’t help but be reminded of the fate of Lady Isobel Barnett after she was publicly shamed:

“In her last years, Lady Barnett became reclusive and eccentric. In 1980 she was found guilty of shoplifting, and fined £75 for stealing a can of tuna and a carton of cream worth 87 pence from her village grocer. This brought her briefly back into the public eye; four days later on 20 October, she was found dead at her home in Cossington, Leicestershire.

A coroner's inquest subsequently ruled that Lady Barnett killed herself with an overdose of painkillers in her bath…”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isobel_Barnett

Let’s hope not.

That's sad.

wrt. Hussey it's not really clear to me exactly why she resigned. I would have thought she could have explained herself and apologised for her offensive questioning. 

Ngozi Fulani will have to account for her own actions or misdeeds if any - but that is entirely a different issue.

[Nearly Sane]

My first thoughts were that I have on several occasions when I've met someone new who doesn't look British, asked them where they're from, and they turned out to have been born in Britain. It's a bit awkward but one of those things that we can't do much about.

Hussey may have just been making polite conversation - apparently it's a common ice-breaker in royal circles. Was it actually racist for her to think Fulani isn't British?

'look British'

[ProfessorDavey]

My first thoughts were that I have on several occasions when I've met someone new who doesn't look British, asked them where they're from, and they turned out to have been born in Britain. It's a bit awkward but one of those things that we can't do much about.

What on earth do you mean by 'doesn't look British' - British people come in all shapes sizes and ... ethnicities. But sure, people sometimes make embarrassing and cringy comments - but surely if someone answers, 'I'm British, I'm from London' that should be the end to it - move on, cover your embarrassment.

Hussey may have just been making polite conversation - apparently it's a common ice-breaker in royal circles.

But she wasn't, was she. Sure her first (ill judged) comment might have been acceptable, if embarrassing. But it was her doubling down - simply not accepting the answer she was give as if she knew better than Fulani whether she was British or not. 

Was it actually racist for her to think Fulani isn't British?

Yes - firstly it was racist to assume that someone who was black and perhaps had a name that wasn't traditionally British wasn't British. Secondly to not accept the response from someone born in Britain that that were British because that person is black is deeply racist.

[Spud]

What on earth do you mean by 'doesn't look British'

I mean that the person looks African, or Indian, etc.

[Aruntraveller]

What on earth do you mean by 'doesn't look British'

I mean that the person looks African, or Indian, etc.

You do realise a substantial number of people who look African or Asian are British, whilst conversely a substantial number of people who look "White British" are Polish or French or American..... oh fill in the rest of the blanks, you racist fool.

[SteveH]

What on earth do you mean by 'doesn't look British'

I mean that the person looks African, or Indian, etc.

David Lammy and Rishi Sunak are both British, indeed English, by birth and upbringing, but by your definition don't look British. What do Britons look like?

[Spud]

You do realise a substantial number of people who look African or Asian are British, whilst conversely a substantial number of people who look "White British" are Polish or French or American..... oh fill in the rest of the blanks, you racist fool.

Really? Well I never.

[Aruntraveller]

Really? Well I never.

And that's all you have to say?

You have just stated that you make a judgement based on the colour of someone's skin. You do know how appalling you are sounding right now?

[Gordon]

What on earth do you mean by 'doesn't look British'

I mean that the person looks African, or Indian, etc.

Simplistic and racist in one short sentence: well done you (and for the avoidance of doubt this is NOT a compliment).

[Nearly Sane]

Really? Well I never.

Fuck off

[ProfessorDavey]

What on earth do you mean by 'doesn't look British'

I mean that the person looks African, or Indian, etc.

WTF

[bluehillside Retd.]

Spud,

I mean that the person looks African, or Indian, etc.

You're confusing ethnicity with nationality. They're completely different things.