Sturgeon to resign as FM

[ProfessorDavey]

So now, with being a Dean in an irrelevant disciplind, are the same as Deans of Law in Scotland, which are the same as Dean of the Faculty of Advocates?

Frankly your posts are so convoluted it is hard to understand what point you are trying to make.

To my mind (and I suspect at least one other) your appeal to the Dean, was one of exceptionalism and expertise. As I have pointed out there are many faculty Deans, in all sorts of disciplines, so there is no exceptionalism. But even in the broad discipline of law there are plenty of faculty Deans.

And let's not forget that Law is very broad - is Dunlop a specialist expert on the law of contempt - I've no idea, his LinkedIn profile doesn't suggest this. Are any of the other Deans of Law - again I don't know. But presuming that Dunlop is a particular expert on contempt just because he a Dean within a faculty with a law specialism is akin to Sriram implying that Noble (who as a physiologist would happily sit in a Life Sciences or Biology Faculty) is an expert evolutionary biologist despite the fact that evolutionary biologists could easily sit in that same faculty.

And from what I've seen Dunlop doesn't practice what he preaches - specifically care when using social media - as I gather his twitter use has led to accusations that he is bringing the Faculty of Advocates and his role as Dean into disrepute.

[Nearly Sane]

Frankly your posts are so convoluted it is hard to understand what point you are trying to make.

To my mind (and I suspect at least one other) your appeal to the Dean, was one of exceptionalism and expertise. As I have pointed out there are many faculty Deans, in all sorts of disciplines, so there is no exceptionalism. But even in the broad discipline of law there are plenty of faculty Deans.

And let's not forget that Law is very broad - is Dunlop a specialist expert on the law of contempt - I've no idea, his LinkedIn profile doesn't suggest this. Are any of the other Deans of Law - again I don't know. But presuming that Dunlop is a particular expert on contempt just because he a Dean within a faculty with a law specialism is akin to Sriram implying that Noble (who as a physiologist would happily sit in a Life Sciences or Biology Faculty) is an expert evolutionary biologist despite the fact that evolutionary biologists could easily sit in that same faculty.

And from what I've seen Dunlop doesn't practice what he preaches - specifically care when using social media - as I gather his twitter use has led to accusations that he is bringing the Faculty of Advocates and his role as Dean into disrepute.

Oh look an ex dean of an irrrelevant university discipline fulminating against the Dean of the Faculty of Advocate, having misinderstood it as being a 'university faculy'...

[ProfessorDavey]

Oh look an ex dean of an irrrelevant university discipline fulminating against the Dean of the Faculty of Advocate, having misinderstood it as being a 'university faculy'...

Where did I ever say that the Faculty of Advocates was part of a university - oh, I never did.

I did however point out that it was part of a College. But then I understand how a faculty is defined and therefore how the role of a faculty Dean may arise.

[Nearly Sane]

Where did I ever say that the Faculty of Advocates was part of a university - oh, I never did.

I did however point out that it was part of a College. But then I understand how a faculty is defined and therefore how the role of a faculty Dean may arise.

How far are you in your digging?

[ProfessorDavey]

How far are you in your digging?

Do you actually understand the definition of a faculty, or of a Dean in relation to a faculty? I suspect you don't.

[Nearly Sane]

Do you actually understand the definition of a faculty, or of a Dean in relation to a faculty? I suspect you don't.

I suspect I do. I suspect you have made an idiot of yourself in trying to equate your deanship of an irrelevant discipline at a university with Roddy Dunlop being Dean of the Faculty of Advocates

[ProfessorDavey]

I suspect I do.

Nope - I don't think you do as you seem a bit bemused by the hierarchy within the faculty of advocates (specifically that it is part of a College) necessary to justify the position of a Dean, and indeed to justify the terminology of a faculty. Faculties and Deans within this context operate within Universities and Colleges (and in some rare circumstances Schools). The religious use has evolved in a slightly different manner but actually the origins of both are the same.

I suspect you have made an idiot of yourself in trying to equate your deanship of an irrelevant discipline at a university with Roddy Dunlop being Dean of the Faculty of Advocates

I never claimed an equivalence - I challenged you on your claim of exceptionalism (THE Dean) whereas Dunlop is one of many people across the country who are faculty Deans. Now of course most of those won't be experts in Law, but quite a number will be as there are many Deans of Faculties of Law. It may be the case that some of those law faculty Deans are actually specific experts in the law around contempt - from what I can see Dunlop claims no specific expertise in this area and I'm certainly not aware of any learned articles that he might have written on the topic.

[Nearly Sane]

Labour in Scotland neck and neck with the SNP


https://archive.vn/8Xgrr

[Nearly Sane]

Alex Massie on Yousaf 'lashing himself to Sturgeon'


https://archive.vn/9Rbj7

[Nearly Sane]

And Mandy Rhodes, including this paragraph.

'At last week’s meeting of the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee – a group that doesn’t usually generate much mirth – members could not contain themselves on discovering that the Scottish Government has a working group exploring “the unique challenges created by motorhome and campervan users in Scotland”. This led to an extraordinarily comedic exchange, ending with Labour’s Foysol Choudhury saying he had never been in a campervan, only to have the SNP’s Fergus Ewing retort with the punchline, “that’s what they all say.”'


https://www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,poor-humza-yousaf-has-been-dealt-a-calamitous-hand

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

So when does a case cease to be active if there are no charges. Where there are charges there is a clear natural conclusion to the case being active - either acquittal or conviction. But less clear if there are no charges.

Didn't we cover exactly this issue a few pages ago and I linked to the relevant legislation that tells you when a case stops being active. See replies #667, #670 and #671 on page 27 of this thread

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=19500.650

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Wrong (as so often):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faculty_of_Advocates

[/i]'The Faculty of Advocates is a constituent part of the College of Justice and is based in Edinburgh.'[/i]

The word "college" has a few meanings so you can't assume it means it is the same as an educational establishment similar to one of hundreds of colleges or universities in the UK.

Created in 1532, the role of the College of Justice was to be a permanent body to administer justice in Scotland. It may be said to consist of the Supreme Courts judges (senators), Faculty of Advocates, writers to the signet (a society of solicitors), solicitors to the Supreme Courts, macers (the court officer who carried a mace before the judges) and Supreme Courts staff.

These bodies serve a different purpose from universities - the College of Justice deals with deciding on and administering important legal matters that affect how the country is run and which therefore potentially impacts the lives of a few million people.

The Faculty of Advocates as part of the College of Justice, is the single professional body that regulates and disciplines Advocates (the Scottish equivalent of barristers) which puts it in a different category from one of hundreds of colleges and universities for students and academics. You need to be a member of the Faculty of Advocates to practise professionally as an Advocate in Scotland.

So I don't see how the Dean of the Faculty of Advocates can be equated with a dean in one of many universities or colleges. The Dean, as head of the professional body, presumably knows what he is talking about when it comes to disciplinary and potentially criminal offences such as Contempt of Court, especially since he linked to the legislation - Contempt of Court Act 1981 (again see my reply #667 on this thread).

The word "college" in this case is derived from the ancient Roman collegium - a "body, guild, corporation united in colleagueship; of magistrates, praetors, tribunes, priests, augurs; a political club or trade guild".[5] Thus a college was a form of corporation or corporate body, an artificial legal person (body/corpus) with its own legal personality, with the capacity to enter into legal contracts, to sue and be sued. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College

[Nearly Sane]

Agree with this fron Euan McColm on Labour in Holyrood versus WM election

https://archive.vn/uVn5L